Golden Heretic Snakeboat
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Was Anyone Complaining When Sonic The Hedgehog Was Delayed?
As you wish. I don't agree with your views, but I guess we don't see the complaints in the same light.
This is not a person we are talking about, this is a company. Companies are not people. You can not and should not think of them using similar ideas. You can not trust a company, and you shouldn't try. A company can't do do things the way a single person can. Problems arise from having a group project that can not be compared to the problems of an individual, and the expectations should not be the same.
I don't evaluate what a company is going to accomplish based on what they have done. I'm not an investor, which is the only time that one should be making such evaluations of a company. I wait for something to be done and then judge that outcome. From the way you present it I get the impression that many people have put trust in ReLogic to deliver on their word. That's just a bad way of thinking. People end up with hurt feelings about a situation they created for themselves.
No I'm really not just saying things to argue. I truly believe companies shouldn't be able to break your trust because people shouldn't be giving them any. I think having faith in a company is a bad thing. You never know when the people that created that faith will leave or get removed. Especially since it's rarely the leadership or owners of a company that actually do the work for your faith.
I don't think buying a company's products makes you an investor. I think you can judge if those purchases were work the money you paid for them. I think in your case it could be argued that mistakes were made and you didn't get what was expected. I think it's wrong that you can't get a refund, but I think that's more Nintendo's fault than anyone else. Still you can't predict a company's future actions based on their past actions. Companies don't have a personality that can be understood.
Being on time and being good quality are indeed separate conditions. History has generally shown that quality takes more time than people are willing to wait for these days. The devs said that they want more time to not release a broken product, and some people responded with basically don't care, entertain me now cause I'm tired of waiting. Yet I'm there one being told I'm unreasonable.
I think we have been through this before...That is enough @Nsk1341 and @Proto Persona
You are both allowed to have different opinions and share your perspectives/feelings on the matter. But it is starting to become heated and personal between both of you. We ask that you drop the discussion and agree to disagree.
I think we have been through this before...
Delaying so much so frequently seems to me like it indicates a super chill and laid back work environment where they take their time instead of killing themselves with crunch time and actually live the impossible dream of making a living from games while simultaneously being able to enjoy life.
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I'm past being happy with just getting split screen. I'm moving on and honestly don't want to play this game anymore even when split screen does come.I want to underscore the second part of this. Crunch time is a plague on the industry. Actual people are behind the creation of games, not faceless automatons that bang out code mindlessly for hours on end.
Taking our time? Inasmuch as that means having high standards and not wanting to compromise or cut things we want to see in... yes. That does not mean we are just hanging out, derping around either. Tons of hard work goes in each and every day... and so it will up until and through launch.
As for the hypothetical discussions about Re-Logic vs other situations/companies/etc. Anyone telling you that game (or software in general) development is some neat and orderly process where all of the widgets perfectly fall in line is either picking an outlier or not being wholly truthful. Heck, I will go past that and say the same applies for ANY lengthy creative production process, even outside of software. The longer the plan, the more the moving pieces, etc. the more potential for "stuff" to occur. On top of that, we do not operate like a AAA, we never have. Re-Logic is a small company with a very large game - which makes for some very interesting and unique dynamics. We haven't jacked prices over time or resorted to DLC in order to fund the big (and often over-reaching) expansions that are so-often the case out there in the industry.
The downside of that is variability like what you are seeing here with the date moving back. The upside? We have been able to remain truly indie at heart and again not have to resort to the financial "fleece the players" disease that plagues the industry. We don't like pushing the date back either, but it is the right decision to do right by the fans - something we do not take lightly.
Some people will get that, others won't - and I do not make light of either opinion. All we can do is stick to our core philosophy and deliver an absolutely stunning 1.4/JE update in the new year.
Again, very much know and understand the source of your frustration. All I can offer you is the information that I have, that the finishing of that feature remains a Priority-One level push from our end, etc.
I don't make the return policies for Nintendo - that whole thing is about 5 steps from being something Re-Logic can affect. So my focus instead is on getting you the feature that you crave so much - inasmuch as I can influence or accelerate that process. I'm not a coder, so that is all that I can personally offer you. I get that you feel that is not enough, but that is literally all that can be done.
As for the storefront stuff - it does seem that someone at 505 messed up at some point there. The instant that I have been made aware of such errors, I have immediately (as I always do) taken such to them for addressing. Sometimes those fixes take time or go through complications (I have no visibility into those machinations). Again, as above, I have done literally everything I can on that front. I do not have direct access to any of those systems (like I do for Steam) to just go "fix it myself".
Not making excuses, just sharing what gets done there.
I know that nothing short of "here is split screen" will suffice here - and so that is my core focus in regards to your situation. Anything else is just the going in circles that we have done in this thread.
Like Fritangaplays Said;I truly believe companies shouldn't be able to break your trust because people shouldn't be giving them any.
Yea, But They Ultimately Make The Decision To Do Right By The Consumers (Which In Gaming, Is Extremely ing Rare)Especially since it's rarely the leadership or owners of a company that actually do the work for your faith.
If It Was The Game Publishers That Controlled That, It'd Be An Absolute Nightmare For Consumers. I'm Personally Happy That They Can't Control That.I think it's wrong that you can't get a refund, but I think that's more Nintendo's fault than anyone else.
That Is Sad But True.History has generally shown that quality takes more time than people are willing to wait for these days.
Anyone else see this in the Switch news feed?View attachment 231129
Feature creep and scope expansion is an issue a lot of devs suffer with. Many creative types feel the need to keep changing, refining and adding things to make something just right. Unfortunately without the business types cracking the whip most don't know where to stop that process and just release something. As ReLogic are a self publishing indie outfit, they get to set their own pace really.
Maybe they did that already. Maybe they thought they were overestimating, and still didn't get there in time. Only the devs can really answer that.
Regardless of all that, the update is delayed. It'll get here when it gets here. No matter what was promised to us, we aren't really owed anything. This was being told that we were getting a gift. Then being told that there's been an issue and we have to wait a little longer to get it. People then get upset, implying that's not good enough and the devs should have tried harder or just not told us anything at all. It's a bit of an unreasonable attitude to have really.
People need to get of their high horses and stop complaining that the huge & free update of a 5€ game isn't arriving exactly when they wanted it.
would you really tho? i'd just rather keep my saint-like patience and just wait 'til i get it for free, its atleast worth the hype.If they wanted to start treating major content updates like expansions and charging a reasonable price for them, I'd be completely fine with that. If anything, I'd rather they do that and actually release on time, instead of the standard we've had over the past few years. Charging $15 or $20 for an update on this scale is perfectly reasonable, especially if it's just once every year/two years/whatever, and I'd rather do that if it meant actually having a consistent release schedule.
Iirc this is the first time they actually gave a release window and delayed it for PC. I don't know about console but there have been many more there.would you really tho? i'd just rather keep my saint-like patience and just wait 'til i get it for free, its atleast worth the hype.
also, just out of curiosity's sake, how many update delays (except little ones or Otherworld (since RIP )) have been there ?
I don't remember any of those being delayed (except 1.4, of course.) but my memory just might not reach back that far.if that's the case, it's more of a console problem rather than a pc one, but the update as of right now is focused on pc-only, correct me if im wrong, and i thought we were talking about the delays of the big updates (1.1, 1.2, 1.3 & 1.4) for pc terraria, that in some peoples eyes made re-logic seem unreliable. can't comment for the console peeps...
Yea, Console 1.3 Was Delayed A Few Times.Iirc this is the first time they actually gave a release window and delayed it for PC. I don't know about console but there have been many more there.
Ea. Bethesda. Blizzard. Am I Missing Any? Remember The Days Where When A Game Launched, You Got All The Content In One Purchase? I Can't Anymore.If they wanted to start treating major content updates like expansions and charging a reasonable price for them, I'd be completely fine with that. If anything, I'd rather they do that and actually release on time, instead of the standard we've had over the past few years. Charging $15 or $20 for an update on this scale is perfectly reasonable, especially if it's just once every year/two years/whatever, and I'd rather do that if it meant actually having a consistent release schedule. Hopefully, they'll move to something like that when the Terraria sequel/followup comes out in 2035.
Yea, Console 1.3 Was Delayed A Few Times.
Ea. Bethesda. Blizzard. Am I Missing Any? Remember The Days Where When A Game Launched, You Got All The Content In One Purchase? I Can't Anymore.
OH WAIT THIS ONE. If This Was A Game Where You Had To Pay DOUBLE The Price Of The Game For An Expansion This Would Rapidly Become One Of My Most Hated Games. Not Even Kidding Or Exaggerating That Point.
Essentially, You Just Said That You Want Relogic To Start Whaling People Instead Of Delaying Releases.
It's Like That On PS4, And I Can Only Assume XBOX Too. Considering All Three Force You To Pay For A Subscription To Play Online, Something Tells Me Relogic Or 505 Isn't At Fault Here.Oh believe me they are whaling people. Got my $30 for an overpriced port that lacks a core feature listed on retail sites and promotional materials.