You asked, "did I miss something"? I'm telling you yes, you missed like 4+ years of me trying to figure out why I couldn't get into this game, Terraria. Steam is where I came from, a place where you can discuss Terraria & post videos, the official forums are new to me, but the conversations aren't any different.
Yeah, I'm a fan of the game, but I think you're using the fact that I'm new here, as an excuse to be dismissive. Before 1.4.0 released, I had plans on creating an entire Tutorial Map, to try & explain the fundamentals of this game to a newer player. I got lucky & "Journey Mode" was announced, which made my 2+ year project obsolete. I've been dissecting this game for about 2 & 1/2 years, I know how difficult it is to balance, because I specialize in some areas. It's not that I know better than the devs, it's that we have a lot of the same goals.
Back in July 2019, I officially released my own
State of the Game address, it was a personal declaration that I happened to share with a small group of friends, if you notice how much work I was putting into making Terraria feel like an actual game, you'd understand that I'm actually a bit shocked & grateful that the devs are fans of this game too, but, that can cut both ways, as sometimes fans don't know when to stop! I never imagined that the devs would OD, but these newer 1.4.1 additions are questionable.
We're actually at a point in gaming, that I'd never thought I'd see, where the devs actually need to stop. Typically it's the fanbase pushing for new stuff, when the devs have likely already moved on, creatively & emotionally. If that's the case, it's our job to be the voice of reason. This is a unique situation & I don't expect anyone to understand, because most fans would keep adding stuff to this game, to the point that it breaks. I'm not one of those fans...
Are you willing to tell the developers to "stop"? What I'm saying is, I have yet to meet another fan who is willing to tell the developer they've done a great job & can now stop working so hard. Creating a video game isn't easy & the number of brain cells these gais must be burning, trying to iron this game out are tremendous. I can relate because I've used that kind of brain power to create clever reference & designs for this game, taking it's original source material into account. There people have done a tremendous job & are doing the impossible, we need to have the willpower to let them know they've done enough.
I try not to critique you gais, because I know a LOT of Terraria fans are young, & don't understand things like humility & moderation yet. Even so, as I said earlier, it's our responsibility to look out for the people who are doing so much for us & to help where we can. I just wanna help the devs because they're working themselves into exhaustion; I don't expect the average player to understand that or care, but I do.
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again, just attempting to make sense of everything here... you said you weren't able to get into terraria... i don't see how, i got into it right away, as did many others.
you then say... you put a ton of work into "making it feel like an actual game"... implying the devs FAILED to create a game, when it seems like you just didn't care for the game, so that view is more subjective, it didn't meet your interests, so you deemed it a failure?
again, everything i am reading, it sounds like you are indeed saying you know better than the creators of the game.
if the developers were creatively and emotionally burned out on terraria... they would stop.
you're assuming that it is the fans' desires pushing them to keep adding more, and are claiming that it is "ruining the game".
also, you saying "most fans would keep adding stuff to the game" ...they do, typically through mods, which i personally don't approve of.
i've always had a grudge against mods and modders, i just feel like it's spreading filth over a work of art, but seeing as some official stuff is probably inspired by mods, i can't necessarily claim it's wrong altogether, only in my own personal views, cause mods ruin games for me and makes them feel less genuine and drives them further from the creators' vision, which is what originally appealed to me.
either way, i'm not out here telling the developers to "stop putting stuff into the game that modders originally added, it's ruining the game!", cause that is simply not true.
even if i voiced such a foolish opinion, the developers wouldn't listen, because it is something they WANT to do, and feel is RIGHT for their creation.
1.4.1 is basically the second part to journey's end, it's the remaining stuff that still needed to be added, plus a few more little bonuses that came to them while working on it... there is nothing wrong with that.
i was personally happy with 1.1, but i won't turn down more content... i always take every big step as the final one, so i won't be disappointed if it ended there.
just like, and i know this is a bit off topic, but with every super smash bros game, i assume each entry is the last one, so the next one is always a surprise for me.
that is how i handled these terraria updates... i won't tell the developers to stop, because in the end, it's ENTIRELY up to them, we can't MAKE them do anything.
will i support their choice to stop? yes, cause it is THEIR decision, if they choose to make it.
but i will also support their decision to keep going, if they really feel like that is necessary... though i do find myself wondering if they'll have any ideas left for terraria 2 if that ends up becoming a thing.
what i am saying is... you claiming to be the "voice of reason" is, again, claiming you know better than the developers.
questioning decisions is one thing, but acting so superior and as if you KNOW they're wrong in doing what they did... is egotistical.
honestly, it comes off as borderline megalomaniacal with the way you talk.
P.S. - i'm not young, quite the opposite.
There's no way it would ever be possible for me to
demand anything of anyone here, I've been the vocal minority both here & on the Steam forums. There's very few times that anyone here has ever agreed with my point of view on things, very rarely. I'm not sure how anyone here could conclude that I'm demanding anything. If you are equating the fact that it makes you uncomfortable that, yes,
your duty as a fellow human being, is to look out for your fellow man, well... that's a different topic. Looking after the people who do right by you & their health is a civic duty, if you find it too much to bare or consider, it's not totally unusual, it happens often.
No one can demand this of you, but they can remind you that it's your moral obligation to uphold, just like washing your hands or covering your mouth when you sneeze. Like I said, you should do it, but I've seen people who just don't...
As I said, you can... & I don't recall ever suggesting to you personally that you should stop asking for things. I just recognize that the developers are showing signs of overworking, frustration & fatigue. That's a sign of burnout & the humane thing to do is tell a person that they should probably stop & if stopping is impossible, lend a helping hand. It's a simple concept, really. This isn't to be snarly either, as I said before, a LOT of things are easy, like washing your hands, but you'd be shocked at the number of people who don't bother to do it, even though peoples lives may be at risk, they simply can't be bothered.
No I don't. I'm saying "wash your hands please." Once you say "no", there's nothing I can do to make you do it.
I'm happy with them too, but I also care about the welfare of the people making these changes. Terraria is extremely hard to balance, I know this from experience. They're not gonna be able to please everyone & are gonna have to come to terms with that. I did my part by mostly solving the issue with Summoner, which I saw coming a mile away. I did my part, but the only reason we are having this discussion is because people are critical of my methods, which is fair. I don't mind making people angry, especially if it saves them from themselves. I'm not the type of person or friend who enables people, if your on some BS, I'm the friend who's gonna tell you, even at the cost of our friendship.
I'm 1000% against crunch culture in the videogames industry. I don't care who agrees with me or not, it's unhealthy.
as others have already mentioned, you're ASSUMING the developers are crunching... what makes you think they are?
typically, in crunch culture, it's higher-ups who are pushing their employees to overwork themselves... atleast from the examples i've seen of it.
you do realize re-logic is an indie team, right?
are you claiming that red and cenx are terrible people forcing the rest of the team to overwork themselves?
if it's not that, then you're claiming that they simply have no sense of their own well-being, and are self-destructive?
it honestly sounds like you're projecting onto the developers, or something... you mentioned earlier that you put a lot of work into the game and a choice they made caused everything you did to be made obsolete.
you're also claiming that you're doing so much to "help" others and the like... maybe you're the one crunching, and you want the developers to stop adding to the game so you can stop doing whatever it is you're doing, or feel like there is an end to work towards?
look, i get the whole "not being afraid to state the truth" thing...
...but there is a BIG difference between saying the things no one wants to hear, and being right about what you're saying.
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