Game Mechanics Empress of Light should be accessable after wall of flesh like duke fishron

[SaladMan24]

Two of my favorite bosses have jarring similarities yet something sets them apart. empress of light as well as duke fishron both require some sort of biome specific critter to be caught, both fights require heavy movement and overall skill to defeat, and both bosses drop gear capable of defeating the moon lord. Yet one difference makes duke fishron stand out much more. I find myself using a lack of empress weapons, it's not that there inherently bad, it's just that they aren't accessable until very late game, specifically post plantera. You see for players that want a challenge that can give them a grand power jump for putting in time and skill, they will go from wall of flesh straight to duke fishron. It's a real challenge but it's rewarding as the drops can carry you to the end of the game for such an achievement. That feeling of doing something out of order, being one to not stray from a challenge, this feeling doesn't work for the empress of light unfortunately. For new players the elusive truffle worm will come as a surprise along with the many things after defeating the wall of flesh and so should the empress as well. The feeling of a long way to go, imagine if you accidentally summoned the empress as soon as you enter hard mode, that's essentially the same as summoning duke fishron too early. Having empress of light after plantera leads to the lack of use for her weapon drops, there super cool but get easily overshadowed at that point of the game. If the weapons were accessable right after wall of flesh like the empresses counterpart duke fishron they would be used much more within the game. It would be a real challenge to take her on pre mech but the reward would be the equivalent to defeating duke fishron. And this is why the Empress of Light should be accessable after wall of flesh like duke fishron.

 

[Depressed 0wl]

That wouldn't work because in the hallow at night early hardmode players would accidentally kill the lacewing and summon the empress and die. What I think would be better is to be able to shimmer the truffle worm into a lacewing.

 

[Impostor]

That wouldn't work because in the hallow at night early hardmode players would accidentally kill the lacewing and summon the empress and die. What I think would be better is to be able to shimmer the truffle worm into a lacewing.

Empress could be Post-Mech then, Players would have adapted to the hallow at that point. Shimmer idea is great though

 

[Depressed 0wl]

Empress could be Post-Mech then, Players would have adapted to the hallow at that point. Shimmer idea is great though

That works too.

 

[SaladMan24]

That wouldn't work because in the hallow at night early hardmode players would accidentally kill the lacewing and summon the empress and die. What I think would be better is to be able to shimmer the truffle worm into a lacewing.

Great alternative! Didn't think of that before

 

[MoultonLava]

That wouldn't work because in the hallow at night early hardmode players would accidentally kill the lacewing and summon the empress and die. What I think would be better is to be able to shimmer the truffle worm into a lacewing.

Actually, there are ways to prevent this.
1: Carry a Guide to Critter Companionship around.
2: Make them have a lower spawn rate pre Mech.

 

[Nekohime]

Yeah it's a no from me.
Just cause Duke Fishron can be fought Post Wall of Flesh doesnt mean your suppose to do it. He is suppose to be fought after fighting Plantera or Even Golem.

 

[MoultonLava]

Yeah it's a no from me.
Just cause Duke Fishron can be fought Post Wall of Flesh doesnt mean your suppose to do it. He is suppose to be fought after fighting Plantera or Even Golem.

Just because you can doesn't mean you have to.

 

[MoultonLava]

If anything the truffleworm should be made to only spawn after plantera is defeated to match the lacewing and intended boss progression.

This makes no sense. Fishron is mean to be a challenge generally done post Plantera, but is available pre Mech as a challenge for experienced players who can challenge the big fish. It is incredibly hard, but very rewarding, so no. I think the Empress also fits into this category, and I think that the Lacewings spawning pre Mech could add a nice challenge for experienced players.

 

[Dapling]

Yeah it's a no from me.
Just cause Duke Fishron can be fought Post Wall of Flesh doesnt mean your suppose to do it. He is suppose to be fought after fighting Plantera or Even Golem.

Screw linearity. Let me die to bosses earlier than intended. If I don’t die to them and actually win that just means I was already able to kill everything between the current tier and the intended one for the boss.

 

[Kittycat7070]

If anything the truffleworm should be made to only spawn after plantera is defeated to match the lacewing and intended boss progression.

I really enjoy nonlinearity, so moving duke to only be post plant would be unfortunate. There's nothing wrong with having a harder boss be able to be spawned earlier than intended (especially with such unique spawning conditions as duke), and as dapling has said, winning and tier skipping with the gear just means you're able to beat anything between the current tier and the boss tiering. Due to how challenging empress is in comparison to duke as well, nothing wrong would come from empress being available pre mech but tiered to post golem since eol requires some significant skill to beat (especially with the nighttime timer).

 

[Orchamut]

Everyone always talks about how you can fight duke fishron pre-mech, but nobody ever talks about how you can fight wall of flesh before any other boss.

 

[Nekohime]

The issue with Empress of Light being available too early is her loot. She drops some of the best UWU tier Weapons in the game. And you don't need post plantera gear to handle her. You just need to know what your doing. Unlike Duke Fishron whose equipment is B tier at best

 

[MoultonLava]

The issue with Empress of Light being available too early is her loot. She drops some of the best UWU tier Weapons in the game. And you don't need post plantera gear to handle her. You just need to know what your doing. Unlike Duke Fishron whose equipment is B tier at best

This is wrong. All of Fishron’s drops are great. Razorblade Typhoon and Tsunami are S tier weapons, Flairon and Bubble gun are A tier, and the summon weapon is b tier. They are about equal in loot.

 

[Kittycat7070]

Unlike Duke Fishron whose equipment is B tier at best

This is very untrue.

Bubble gun is a completely insane boss shredder and posts some of the best times against plantera out of all weapons, RBT is an insanely good crowd control/aoe weapon that can carry you until pillars, and tsunami can carry you to pillars as well on top of having very strong boss kill times. Additionally, the wings fishron drops are amazing as well, only outclassed by betsy and empress when you get to post golem.
I don't know much about flairon and the nadoe summon, but I do know flairon is definitely not B tier anymore.

You just need to know what your doing

additionally, this is the same exact argument for duke and other non linear bosses, and yet nobody complains because this is what is so fun about nonlinearity. Being able to take down much harder bosses earlier than intended by using your raw skill, then having a power trip using really strong weapons to take down previous tiers, is a very fun experience and something that should be more heavily expanded upon in the game. Finally, terraria is a sandbox game? So what if you can access really strong weapons a few tiers early by intentionally taking down a harder boss? It won't negatively impact the game, as you can always choose to not do it, and it offers a more fun and unique gameplay experience.

 

[Coleyohley]

The issue with Empress of Light being available too early is her loot. She drops some of the best UWU tier Weapons in the game.

If you're able to defeat Empress before you beat the mechanical bosses, then the mechs probably weren't going to be a challenge for you to begin with. Empress is way tougher than them, and you already beat her, so I don't see how her boss drops would let you accomplish anything you wouldn't have been able to before.

And you don't need post plantera gear to handle her. You just need to know what your doing. Unlike Duke Fishron whose equipment is B tier at best

Almost every boss in the game can be beaten with nearly any competent weapon if you know what you're doing, and I don't see the problem with that; if a player is stubborn enough to fight the boss for 15 straight minutes with incredibly outdated gear, I say let them.

Fishron's equipment is a mixed bag but Tsunami, Razorblade Typhoon, and Bubble Gun are all incredible weapons. Bubble Gun has some of the highest single-target DPS available before Moon Lord, Razorblade Typhoon is one of the easiest crowd-killers you've ever seen, and Tsunami has lower DPS but far more range and ease of use than Bubble Gun. The lows are low, I admit, but the highs are about as high as they get.

 

[Dapling]

If you're able to defeat Empress before you beat the mechanical bosses, then the mechs probably we'ren't going to be a challenge for you to begin with. Empress is way tougher than them, and you already beat her, so I don't see how her boss drops would let you accomplish anything you couldn't before.


Almost every boss in the game can be beaten with nearly any competent weapon if you know what you're doing, and I don't see the problem with that; if a player is stubborn enough to fight the boss for 15 straight minutes with incredibly outdated gear, I say let them.

Fishron's equipment is a mixed bag but Tsunami, Razorblade Typhoon, and Bubble Gun are all incredible weapons. Bubble Gun has some of the highest single-target DPS available before Moon Lord, Razorblade Typhoon is one of the easiest crowd-killers you've ever seen, and Tsunami has lower DPS but far more range and ease of use than Bubble Gun. The lows are low, I admit, but the highs are about as high as they get.

And then in worlds with Remixed weapons he drops the most excessively powerful weapon in the entire game for its tier dps wise.

 

[Nekohime]

Must admit the idea of Shimmering the Lacewing into the Truffleworm and viceversa is golden.
They are both Critters, and both used to summon bosses. So it makes quite a lot of sense.

 

[Meowlegend]

This is wrong. All of Fishron’s drops are great. Razorblade Typhoon and Tsunami are S tier weapons, Flairon and Bubble gun are A tier, and the summon weapon is b tier

Razorblade Typhoon is NOT S tier, it's really overrated nowadays. It's A.
Flairon is also B.

 

[MoultonLava]

Razorblade Typhoon is NOT S tier, it's really overrated nowadays.
Flairon is also B.

I can agree with RBT, it’s A tier. Flairon is amazing and I won’t put it below A tier ever.