Help with Frost Moon??????!!!!!

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DiggyDiggyHole

Terrarian
...I just do NOT understand how are you supposed to reach Wave 15, not even talking about the bonus rounds, of this Moon Event.

I have done EVERYTHING I could think off. Like, literally EVERYTHING!!!...

YES, I have made an arena with the following: Lava Floor Traps, Campfire + Heart Lantern + Honey for Maxed Regen, 1 Star + 1 Heart statues, and 2 Crystal Balls for Maxed Magic

YES, I have gotten Top Tier (The very best of the best in the entire game methinks) weapons with their very best possible modifiers (Read: Godly Flairon, Demonic Nimbus Rod, Ruthless Tempest Staff, Ruthless Staff of Frost Hydra). I even made a little Platform for the Hydra to stand and snipe any enemy it pleases!!!

YES, I have also re-forged all my 5 accesories (which on themselves I also believe are extremely good) ALL FIVE to increase my DPS (Lucky Flairon Wings, Lucky Star Veil, Lucky Lighting Boots, Lucky Celestial Stone, Menacing Warrior Emblem).

YES, I also buff myself with Well Feed + Flask of Ichor right before the Night (And thus the Event Itself) starts.

NO, I have little to no problems at Surviving, its the extremely short time I get to finish this event which screws me up, and YET despiste ALL of this...











I CANT EVEN REACH WAVE 15!!!!!!!


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(Let alone the 5 additional "Bonus Rounds" right after it... LOL)


I seriously do not understand, I MUST be doing something wrong here! It, the entire thing literally makes NO SENSE- Does someone know what I am missing????!!!! Maybe my arena actually sucks or could be better? I dunno...


Also on a completly unrelated note, why the hell the PUMPKING MOON gives like 3-5 Platinium Coins when the FROST MOON gives barely just 1 Platinium? WTF?...
 
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It's near impossible to legitimately hit the final wave solo. However, there are a few techniques and guides out there though that you may want to see that show how to get to the final wave.

A very popular guide is shown by a Terraria Youtuber named Yrimir, who specializes in things like this.

Could you also post a screenshot of your arena? That plus map layout would be nice.


Terraria - Frost Moon Final Wave with Yrimir:
 
i've got frost moon gear myself and i can barely get to 13 or 14 alone. ice queens simply move too much to get to higher wave counts without somebody there helping you.

a few suggestions though:
roll a hoverboard over fishron wings (or just run a damage emblem, move around layers with your hook)
roll a damage emblem over boots and make your arena's solid floor layer be asphalt
try out menacing over lucky, but from just getting two more damage emblems you'll get a drastic boost off that alone
 
DiggyDiggyHole said:
YES, I have made an arena with the following: Lava Floor Traps, Campfire + Heart Lantern + Honey for Maxed Regen, 1 Star + 1 Heart statues, and 2 Crystal Balls for Maxed Magic
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The way to get to the final wave of the Frost Moon is with a very specialised spear trap-massacre arena. I don't really bother with them though, as I don't find it fun. I do know that with the right stuff and a lava pit for the minors you can get to wave15 (and just about wave16). Regarding what you have already said:

YES,
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I have gotten Top Tier (The very best of the best in the entire game methinks) weapons with their very best possible modifiers (Read: Godly Flairon, Demonic Nimbus Rod, Ruthless Tempest Staff, Ruthless Staff of Frost Hydra). I even made a little Platform for the Hydra to stand and snipe any enemy it pleases!!!
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I find the Frost Hydra too weak to waste time on. You need to dedicate as much time to your DPS weapon as possible. Nimbus Rod is beautiful to use because you only have to throw it somewhere twice (two clouds) every 60 seconds.

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I have also re-forged all my 5 accesories (which on themselves I also believe are extremely good) ALL FIVE to increase my DPS (Lucky Flairon Wings, Lucky Star Veil, Lucky Lighting Boots, Lucky Celestial Stone, Menacing Warrior Emblem).
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Ditch the Lightning boots for the Destroyer Emblem. If I can stay mobile enough with flame wings, you can stay mobile enough with Fishron. Also, are you using Beetle Scale or Plate? Scale will contribute massively to your DPS, which is the key thing you need in the Frost Moon. You should still have a lot of defence, because it is Melee armour after all.

YES,
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I also buff myself with Well Feed + Flask of Ichor right before the Night (And thus the Event Itself) starts.
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What about Wrath and Rage? Instant 20% increase in damage. What about other buffs like Ale, Regeneration, Endurance, Ironskin, Summoning and Swiftness? Oh, most importantly, what about Water candle and Battle potion?

Also on a completly unrelated note, why the hell the PUMPKING MOON gives like 3-5 Platinium Coins when the FROST MOON gives barely just 1 Platinium? WTF?...
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Because the Pumpkin Moon is stupidly easy with a loot system that is ridiculous in conjunction with the difficulty of it. I can net over 20 platinum on the Pumpkin Moon.
 
I wouldn't worry about reaching wave 15 and up. Reaching 14 is already very good.
I think the moons are meant to be played with a team. It's perfectly doable on your own up to wave ~15, but most of us just won't ever reach anything higher.
There are very clever players out there who use every dirty trick in the book to reach wave 20, but these people are few in numbers, so don't feel bad. :)
 
I've made it to Wave 18 in the Frost Moon. :cool:
I use:
  • Yrimir's arena (with some extra traps)(Heart/Star statue, Heart Lantern, Campfire).
  • Godly Flairon, Godly Vampire Knives, Ruthless Tempest Staff, Godly Scourge of the Corruptor, Godly North Pole.
  • Menacing Mechanical Glove, Menacing Warrior Emblem, Menacing Star Veil, Menacing Avenger Emblem, Menacing Celestial Stone.
  • A TON of potions, can't list them all.
 
Doylee said:
It's near impossible to legitimately hit the final wave solo. However, there are a few techniques and guides out there though that you may want to see that show how to get to the final wave.

A very popular guide is shown by a Terraria Youtuber named Yrimir, who specializes in things like this.

Could you also post a screenshot of your arena? That plus map layout would be nice.


Terraria - Frost Moon Final Wave with Yrimir:
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Um...

Well, even he just barely got to Wave 15 with that setup... damn it.

Also I cant take a screenshot of my arena because its too big xD...it would take like 4 screenshots to get everything here and that would be spammy.


Agastya said:
i've got frost moon gear myself and i can barely get to 13 or 14 alone. ice queens simply move too much to get to higher wave counts without somebody there helping you.

a few suggestions though:
roll a hoverboard over fishron wings (or just run a damage emblem, move around layers with your hook)
roll a damage emblem over boots and make your arena's solid floor layer be asphalt
try out menacing over lucky, but from just getting two more damage emblems you'll get a drastic boost off that alone
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My problem with Ice Queens is that they take to look to do their spinning ice attack, where they are vulnerable the most...

And when they DO, they tend to do it OUTSIDE my arena... wasting valuable time.

I will take the suggestions into account, thanks.

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FlakMaster said:
The way to get to the final wave of the Frost Moon is with a very specialised spear trap-massacre arena. I don't really bother with them though, as I don't find it fun. I do know that with the right stuff and a lava pit for the minors you can get to wave15 (and just about wave16). Regarding what you have already said:



I find the Frost Hydra too weak to waste time on. You need to dedicate as much time to your DPS weapon as possible. Nimbus Rod is beautiful to use because you only have to throw it somewhere twice (two clouds) every 60 seconds.

Well, so does the Frost Hydra (It takes 60 seconds IIRC)...

BUT, I have come to realize it might also be something of a waste... Nimbus seems to be worth it, but not Hydra...

Ditch the Lightning boots for the Destroyer Emblem. If I can stay mobile enough with flame wings, you can stay mobile enough with Fishron. Also, are you using Beetle Scale or Plate? Scale will contribute massively to your DPS, which is the key thing you need in the Frost Moon. You should still have a lot of defence, because it is Melee armour after all.

Now this sounds really, REALLY good. I will try this one first.

Yes I do have Scale and I do have the three bettles buff active everytime lol.


What about Wrath and Rage? Instant 20% increase in damage. What about other buffs like Ale, Regeneration, Endurance, Ironskin, Summoning and Swiftness? Oh, most importantly, what about Water candle and Battle potion?

Too lazy to get into Alchemy stuff, plus I didnt believe it will be really effective... but I guess it doesnt hurts to give it a try, *sigh*. Only will try Wrath and Rage and Summoning (And MAYBE Swiftness), as I have said before, Surviving is not a problem at all, so Endurance, Regeneration and the like is useless.

Because the Pumpkin Moon is stupidly easy with a loot system that is ridiculous in conjunction with the difficulty of it. I can net over 20 platinum on the Pumpkin Moon.

Lol...20 plat, xD
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Oh also... The Moon Events do NOT get influenced by the Candle/Battle Potion.. right? I have heard that, at least...
 
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DiggyDiggyHole said:
My problem with Ice Queens is that they take to look to do their spinning ice attack, where they are vulnerable the most...

And when they DO, they tend to do it OUTSIDE my arena... wasting valuable time.
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My advice for this is don't bother engaging Ice Queens until they are seriously vulnerable; your time is better spent wrecking Santanks and Everscreams (which are much easier to hit).

And while I don't doubt your survival skills, it is something to note that if you can survive more hits, you can take more risks for the sake of more damage. If I fortunately have max health and the Ice Queen does her dizzy spins close, I'm going to remain completely still (Shroomite) to wreck :red:.

Oh also... The Moon Events do NOT get influenced by the Candle/Battle Potion.. right? I have heard that, at least...
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Well if they don't, then that's news to me. Pretty sure it did, though.
 
FlakMaster said:
My advice for this is don't bother engaging Ice Queens until they are seriously vulnerable; your time is better spent wrecking Santanks and Everscreams (which are much easier to hit).

And while I don't doubt your survival skills, it is something to note that if you can survive more hits, you can take more risks for the sake of more damage. If I fortunately have max health and the Ice Queen does her dizzy spins close, I'm going to remain completely still (Shroomite) to wreck :red:.



Well if they don't, then that's news to me. Pretty sure it did, though.
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Um, good points... But I barely need to "Retreat" to get hearts for more health, because... well... the entire arena is covered with hearts... I lose maybe, what, 2 seconds, and then I am right back into the battle... Still, since I want everything to be minmaxed, might as well do that... even thought I freaking hate Alchemy/making potions -.-




Gotcha! said:
Dunno who told you that, but they should work and help a great deal in reaching more waves. :)
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The wiki told me that... plus I have heard some people confirming it as well...


Oh well, a Candle dosnt hurts to try. IF I notice some changes with it, then I guess I have to add the Battle Potion alongside everything else...
 
DiggyDiggyHole said:
But I barely need to "Retreat" to get hearts for more health, because... well... the entire arena is covered with hearts
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If there's plenty of hearts, you can be really aggressive for that extra damage potential. I also didn't say anywhere that retreating would be necessary, nor did I mean to/know that I implied it.

Concerning the water candle/battle potion, the former is a small bonus in comparison to the latter. I'd also not believe everything the wiki says, as it is edited by people. And most of those people edit by what they 'think' is right.
 
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The wiki told me that... plus I have heard some people confirming it as well...
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Hmm, thanks for the heads up. This was unknown to me. I've been using water candles and battle potions since the Pumpkin Moon landed. O_O
Something died inside of me... :(
 
FlakMaster said:
If there's plenty of hearts, you can be really aggressive for that extra damage potential. I also didn't say anywhere that retreating would be necessary, nor did I mean to/know that I implied it.

Concerning the water candle/battle potion, the former is a small bonus in comparison to the latter. I'd also not believe everything the wiki says, as it is edited by people. And most of those people edit by what they 'think' is right.
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Gotcha! said:
Hmm, thanks for the heads up. This was unknown to me. I've been using water candles and battle potions since the Pumpkin Moon landed. O_O
Something died inside of me... :(
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Uh oh...

Well, its entirely possible that the Candle/Battle Potion DO affect the spawn rate and than the wiki IS wrong!

In fact, this Yrimir dude was using a Battle Potion in his video, and he knows his way around the game, so...
 
DiggyDiggyHole said:
Uh oh...

Well, its entirely possible that the Candle/Battle Potion DO affect the spawn rate and than the wiki IS wrong!

In fact, this Yrimir dude was using a Battle Potion in his video, and he knows his way around the game, so...
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Best person to ask is probably @W1K

Dragging people into threads they didn't know existed is fun, as well.
 
Frost Moon and Pumpkin Moon cap spawn rates above the usual limit and after the buffs of Battle Potion and Water Candles are applied (hence they are overridden), at least last time I checked.
 
Ok I just wanted to thank you people.


I just reached Wave 15 of Frost Moon thanks to your tips!


What I did:


Farmed the WoF until I got all 3 emblems, then farmed Golem until I got the Eye, and I finally crafted The Destroyer Emblem!

Since I had to make room for this accesory, I decided to follow your advice and just got rid of the less usefull one: Lighting Boots.


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And thats basically how I got to Wave 15! LOL. I even forgot about other tips, such as bringing Candles to the arena and I didnt bothered with more potions than what I already used. I also focused more on Santanks and Everscreams as FlakMaster said instead of just flying around chassing endlessly the Ice Queen and only attacked her when she did that spinning attack or if there were no Santanks/Everscreams anywhere on the screen.


Unafortunally, shortly after I reached Wave 15, something hit me for like 120+ damage (wtf?) when I was already on somewhat low health and I died LOL. But whatever, mission accomplished. I wont really bother with the bonus rounds, I just wanted to "Beat" the main even proper (15 waves).
 
DiggyDiggyHole said:
Ok I just wanted to thank you people.


I just reached Wave 15 of Frost Moon thanks to your tips!
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Making progress I see! However, you still have a ways to go :) and reaching wave 20 is a massive uphill climb.

Reaching wave 20 solo in Frost Moon is an incredibly difficult challenge, because it requires good arena design and knowledge of certain game mechanics. The easiest way, by far, is to use a Horseman's Blade autofarm. My current farm is able to average around 12:30am for the 20th wave, although the current record with video proof is 1:15am (that will change soon when I record a new video):


Outside of Horseman's Blade, I've only seen players using the Blizzard Staff and North Pole (before it got nerfed) to reach the final wave before the night is over. Hard to say at this point if any other weapon is good enough, but that is something I'm currently investigating. It should be theoretically possible with Tsunami, but that is a really tricky proposition especially since it's hard to aim in the later waves since it's easy to lose sight of your cursor. I don't think Flairon is good enough, nor the Bubble Gun.

It's also important to avoid any defensive accessories - stuff like Star Veil is a waste of DPS and unnecessary for survival.
 
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Yeah, but, you see...


One of the reasons of why I dont feel like aiming higher is because getting to the higher waves seems to become more and more about your arena/traps/building layout than... you know, combat skills. Actually begin active in the fight and killing enemies, while attempting to dodge and survive... I Dunno, it does not appeal to me if I am not playing llike that :/ Some arena/traps help is perfectly okay, but I mean, just take a look at that video:



The Frost Moon. An Event thats SUPPOSED to be the HARDEST CHALLENGE IN THE ENTIRE GAME...

Trivialised to the point that all you have to do is hold Mouse 1 for 10 mins or so. Win.



... and thats it. End of strategy. And yet, he reaches Wave 20 in a New Record time, with around 5 Minutes or so to spare.

Dont get me wrong, I absolutly love it when people manage to do this kind of stuff. After all, all the effort that isnt going towards the actual event is on the Arena Setup. Its really impressive how people can build such well done and extremely efficient arenas (More like Farms), and very good knowledge of the game mechanics as well. Its a different kind of dedication and skills...

But it just isnt for me, I wont be going that route. Not to mention it just seems a bit cheap. No offense to anyone, its cool to see people getting to the final wave by whatever means necesary, I enjoined the video and all! I just think it trivialises the event a tad much...

Then again, all of this would not happen if the devs would have bothered to balance the Moon Events with the number of players active, but thats for another thread.
 
Granted, but in this thread you questioned how you can reach the higher waves, so you have your answer. If you want to do it in a "non-cheap" way, then that won't be compatible with the goal or reaching the later waves.

Further, there aren't any significant "combat skills" in reaching high waves. You cannot spend time dodging (not only because it's almost impossible in the later waves, but because it would waste too much time). The skill lies in preparation and arena construction, because you'll be tanking through the event anyways with minimal movement. Look at Yrimir's video - he sticks to his platform, and only drops down occasionally to refill his life and mana. Yrimir isn't exhibiting combat skills (he's obviously proficient when it comes to that, but that isn't showcased in his Frost moon video) but he is demonstrating ingenuity and forethought as far as his arena construction and gear set-up go.
 
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