FlakMaster
The Destroyer
People get warnings for LOC for using only those two words.
Other How to make suggestions people will support
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People get warnings for LOC for using only those two words.
Fruitbat
Terrarian
lol I thought I'm the only one who thinks like that
Pirtz
Terrarian
I didn't see a part about polls so I'll suggest one:
Try to make polls as concise and as effective as possible. They are, after all, tools for the developers which give the public opinion. That means, having a poll with 8 kinds of yes, 5 kinds of no and 2 kinds of maybe is hardly effective and just clutters your screen. This can be okay for art threads but doesn't fit suggestions.
Try to make polls as concise and as effective as possible. They are, after all, tools for the developers which give the public opinion. That means, having a poll with 8 kinds of yes, 5 kinds of no and 2 kinds of maybe is hardly effective and just clutters your screen. This can be okay for art threads but doesn't fit suggestions.
Then again, virtually all polls I see these days are a form of this:
Do you like this idea?
- YES IT'S THE GREATEST IDEA EVAH!
- Yes, it's great!
- NO OMG GO DIE IN A CAVE!
That is NOT an exaggeration, I'm almost quoting here.
FlakMaster
The Destroyer
I can beat that example:
1. This is great!
2. This is
and I'm a dumbass.
Those kind of polls have happened more than you'd expect.
1. This is great!
2. This is
and I'm a dumbass.Those kind of polls have happened more than you'd expect.
Can I Get Uhhh
Spazmatism
Well. I guess my Grape suggestion is worthy enough...
LoveSpreader
Terrarian
By the way, shouldn't the OP be updated to include,
Things that, while not explicitly against the forum rules, are not viable as a suggestion because the community will not hear of it(?):
Terra Blade; the not good enough of a sword so let's make one using it as material - A lot of people like this weapon, but a lot of people also like it to stay as it is, without being a material for another uber sword. Same goes for THB.
Beyond Hardmode; "insert noun here"mode - Overdone, and unlikely to be that much different unless some very very new things are introduced. Most of the time it will just be Hardmode with a couple different things and boosted stats.
Unreleased Weapons; OMG We Want This Now Red! - Most of the time this just turns out to be another simple cry of "make this happen now RED!" without anything to it at all.
Dopplegangers; Because we are our own worst enemy - One that is on par with Cthulhu, in how overly suggested it is(according to some people). It is also unlikely to have an enemy that will be coded to copy the player's exact ability.
Lifesteal; More Edward Cullens must be in the game - Superbly hard to find the balance between too OP, or just plain bland and uninteresting choice of a weapon.
I know some of them are covered in a more general rule(like balance for lifesteal), but they are mostly specific enough that a suggestion involving any of the ones listed will most likely not earn support, if not direct hating and negative feedbacks(within reason), even if they adhere to all the rules you've already put down.
Things that, while not explicitly against the forum rules, are not viable as a suggestion because the community will not hear of it(?):
Terra Blade; the not good enough of a sword so let's make one using it as material - A lot of people like this weapon, but a lot of people also like it to stay as it is, without being a material for another uber sword. Same goes for THB.
Beyond Hardmode; "insert noun here"mode - Overdone, and unlikely to be that much different unless some very very new things are introduced. Most of the time it will just be Hardmode with a couple different things and boosted stats.
Unreleased Weapons; OMG We Want This Now Red! - Most of the time this just turns out to be another simple cry of "make this happen now RED!" without anything to it at all.
Dopplegangers; Because we are our own worst enemy - One that is on par with Cthulhu, in how overly suggested it is(according to some people). It is also unlikely to have an enemy that will be coded to copy the player's exact ability.
Lifesteal; More Edward Cullens must be in the game - Superbly hard to find the balance between too OP, or just plain bland and uninteresting choice of a weapon.
I know some of them are covered in a more general rule(like balance for lifesteal), but they are mostly specific enough that a suggestion involving any of the ones listed will most likely not earn support, if not direct hating and negative feedbacks(within reason), even if they adhere to all the rules you've already put down.
Snickerbobble
The Painter
I've noticed Hallow alts have become very popular, with Corruption alts starting to pop up more as well. I've been seeing some common mistakes with a lot of alternate biomes:
Reskins: If your biome is possible, or nearly possible, through texturepack, then your biome isn't unique enough to be an alternate. The idea becomes more of a texturepack description than an actual new idea for an alternate biome. While your biome may look different, it should also feel different, but work similarly.
Enemies: Of course, not every enemy must be completely unique, such as slimes, though it'd do you well to have a fancier slime than just another different colored one, like ice slimes. With your other enemies, they should be as unique as possible. Give us a reason to want this biome besides graphics!
Sprites: You do not need them, however it is strongly recommended. This goes for most suggestions, but most especially biome threads! We want to see what your biome looks like. I cannot stress how important sprites can be if you're trying to win over support. You do not need sprites for everything, just give enough so we can feel and see your biome, which is something that isn't as easily done by words alone.
Posting an incomplete idea: Again, for most threads but mostly biome threads, you should wait off until you have enough for your idea to be presentable. If there isn't enough to interest someone, they'll leave the thread and may never return, even if you add in more content. It's best to wait off until you have more to show. Don't rush it! "I was rushed, I had things to do, I didn't have the time!" are not good excuses! Just save your work and continue it later. It took me several hours over several days for my Confection, and I certainly did not do that all in one sitting!
And some bad habits by those commenting on biome threads:
Comparing to other suggestions: Biomes should be judged independently from others. Just because you like one more doesn't mean you can't support another! This is mainly for alternate Hallow ideas that are paired with the Crimson. Zoomo does not own the Crimson! A biome should not be beat down if the creator puts it up against Crimson, if you like the Cyber. Liking another alternate Hallow paired with the Crimson does not necessarily make you anti-Cyber. We're not even sure if alternate Hallows will ever be a thing, but if so, who says biomes will be locked together? It is very possible that if the devs implemented the Cyber, we could have Corruption/Cyber worlds. Soul eaters vs Soulless, right? If this new Hallow alt for the Crimson came out before the Cyber, would you bash on the Cyber just the same? I've seen "This is just a rip off of the cyber/contagion" before, as well as "There's the Cyber, so this idea is redundant." That's rude and helps no one. Suggestions are not official content, so don't treat them as such.
Simply saying you support: While support is greatly appreciated, it's also important to point out what you like/dislike and what could be improved on!
....yeah, that's all I got I think.
Reskins: If your biome is possible, or nearly possible, through texturepack, then your biome isn't unique enough to be an alternate. The idea becomes more of a texturepack description than an actual new idea for an alternate biome. While your biome may look different, it should also feel different, but work similarly.
Enemies: Of course, not every enemy must be completely unique, such as slimes, though it'd do you well to have a fancier slime than just another different colored one, like ice slimes. With your other enemies, they should be as unique as possible. Give us a reason to want this biome besides graphics!
Sprites: You do not need them, however it is strongly recommended. This goes for most suggestions, but most especially biome threads! We want to see what your biome looks like. I cannot stress how important sprites can be if you're trying to win over support. You do not need sprites for everything, just give enough so we can feel and see your biome, which is something that isn't as easily done by words alone.
Posting an incomplete idea: Again, for most threads but mostly biome threads, you should wait off until you have enough for your idea to be presentable. If there isn't enough to interest someone, they'll leave the thread and may never return, even if you add in more content. It's best to wait off until you have more to show. Don't rush it! "I was rushed, I had things to do, I didn't have the time!" are not good excuses! Just save your work and continue it later. It took me several hours over several days for my Confection, and I certainly did not do that all in one sitting!
And some bad habits by those commenting on biome threads:
Comparing to other suggestions: Biomes should be judged independently from others. Just because you like one more doesn't mean you can't support another! This is mainly for alternate Hallow ideas that are paired with the Crimson. Zoomo does not own the Crimson! A biome should not be beat down if the creator puts it up against Crimson, if you like the Cyber. Liking another alternate Hallow paired with the Crimson does not necessarily make you anti-Cyber. We're not even sure if alternate Hallows will ever be a thing, but if so, who says biomes will be locked together? It is very possible that if the devs implemented the Cyber, we could have Corruption/Cyber worlds. Soul eaters vs Soulless, right? If this new Hallow alt for the Crimson came out before the Cyber, would you bash on the Cyber just the same? I've seen "This is just a rip off of the cyber/contagion" before, as well as "There's the Cyber, so this idea is redundant." That's rude and helps no one. Suggestions are not official content, so don't treat them as such.
Simply saying you support: While support is greatly appreciated, it's also important to point out what you like/dislike and what could be improved on!
....yeah, that's all I got I think.
FlakMaster
The Destroyer
There are people that can write an extremely articulate thread, but can't sprite at all. I could be one of them, but I've never really dived into it. Not that I am saying I write very well, either.
I don't think people should heavily feel like they need to sprite. They should instead be aware and co-operate with current spriters that'll gladly help them out. Even at that stage, the person that thought of the initial idea would have to share a lot of credit. Not sure there's much issue with that, as they wouldn't really be making anything financially useful out of a suggestion.
I don't think people should heavily feel like they need to sprite. They should instead be aware and co-operate with current spriters that'll gladly help them out. Even at that stage, the person that thought of the initial idea would have to share a lot of credit. Not sure there's much issue with that, as they wouldn't really be making anything financially useful out of a suggestion.
SzGamer227
Spazmatism
I, for one, have no problem sharing credit with people who make sprites for my suggestions. Good artists deserve to be recognized.
FlakMaster
The Destroyer
Yeah, I was trying to say that people should be prepared to share credit. Because more than most predict can be like:
"hey, make sprites for me plz. I also like using abbreviations cuz I'm lazy"
"Sure thing "shows shiny sprites", there you go! I spent a sizeable amount of time for your benefit!"
"Oh nice, now off".
"hey, make sprites for me plz. I also like using abbreviations cuz I'm lazy"
"Sure thing "shows shiny sprites", there you go! I spent a sizeable amount of time for your benefit!"
"Oh nice, now
off".
SzGamer227
Spazmatism
Then someone comes along and says
"Hey that's a nice sprite you have there! You make it yourself?"
"No but its good so I use it."
"Oh, then who made it?'
"Idunno :l"
":l"
"Hey that's a nice sprite you have there! You make it yourself?"
"No but its good so I use it."
"Oh, then who made it?'
"Idunno :l"
":l"
Fruitbat
Terrarian
okay I'll say it instead of you then
You're amazing at writing threads, imho.
FlakMaster
The Destroyer
Though it doesn't fill me up with pride (that seems to come from only things I do for myself 99% of the time), I appreciate your kind words
SzGamer227
Spazmatism
Just made a condensed 10-point checklist based on your guide, for easy referencing or lazy readers.
Basic guidelines:
1) It needs to be practical enough to be implemented as content.
2) It should have some connection to Terraria as it exists now.
3) It must be balanced to a similar power as other items on the same tier/rarity.
4) Effort. The more time you spend thinking about a suggestion and its implications, the better.
5) It should be fun and imaginative. Try to come up with something fresh and original.
6) It's always a good idea to address some sort of problem or lacking.
Things to avoid:
- A wall of text. Use [Enter] or [Return] whenever you reach a new idea. Organize your thoughts intelligently.
- Mistaking rarity as a justification for power. It's okay in small degrees, but always refer back to tier balancing.
- Writing unintelligibly. Take time to review grammar and spelling. Laziness in writing is very unattractive.
- Generic or nondescript titles. People should be able to tell what a suggestion is about before even reading it.
Basic guidelines:
1) It needs to be practical enough to be implemented as content.
2) It should have some connection to Terraria as it exists now.
3) It must be balanced to a similar power as other items on the same tier/rarity.
4) Effort. The more time you spend thinking about a suggestion and its implications, the better.
5) It should be fun and imaginative. Try to come up with something fresh and original.
6) It's always a good idea to address some sort of problem or lacking.
Things to avoid:
- A wall of text. Use [Enter] or [Return] whenever you reach a new idea. Organize your thoughts intelligently.
- Mistaking rarity as a justification for power. It's okay in small degrees, but always refer back to tier balancing.
- Writing unintelligibly. Take time to review grammar and spelling. Laziness in writing is very unattractive.
- Generic or nondescript titles. People should be able to tell what a suggestion is about before even reading it.
MiltVala
Plantera
I'll also like to say that the use of content dividers for large/multi segmented suggestions is very effective. They really improve readability and aesthetic
Here are the two most used ones (you'll notice these in all the official threads too)
Alternatively, you can make your own as seen in @Tobbvald 's renown Tobbvald's Tinkering
Here are the two most used ones (you'll notice these in all the official threads too)
Code:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kdcROYP.png[/IMG]
Code:
[IMG] http://s26.postimg.org/6san3kae1/divider.png[/IMG]Alternatively, you can make your own as seen in @Tobbvald 's renown Tobbvald's Tinkering
Baconfry
Terrarian
Yes, I know. These are the guidelines you should use to accept or reject an idea before it even gets out of your head, and all of this happens before you publish it.
I know that there is a minority of people who reject my ideas, no matter what they are. That is why I'm not using polls as a popularity reading anymore. Trying to win those people over is a waste of my time, especially when the rejection is no longer based on reasoning.
The Kitsune
Terrarian
Ooooor, step 1: Be Baconfry.
Baconfry
Terrarian
If that was the only way, then I wouldn't have created this thread.