DatPedro
Skeletron
That's just IGNORANT. You don't know nothing about LotR. The ring could only be broken in the flames where it was forged
Casual In an all-out war, would Voldemort or Sauron win?
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Never got that impression from how its described in the books. None of the Horcrux destroying methods dispelled the magic . . . for all we know, the magic can't be dispelled, and the Horcrux's were just destroyed because the stuff was THAT destructive.
I will ask that you refrain from ANY further insults of any kind. This is supposed to be a polite discussion, and calling out someone for a lack of knowledge on the part of one franchise is not acceptable. Similarly, you are showing a lack of knowledge about certain areas in your own debating, but we are not insulting you, are we?
Do not do this again.
Brony Bonfire
Eye of Cthulhu
It's just a mace, sauron was using the ring for power so he could've used anything to the same result, i'm pretty sure the mace isn't even a thing in the books anyway.
Brony Bonfire
Eye of Cthulhu
Excuse me? I knew about lotr before elijah wood turned into a midget
Here's another, in the harry potter universe dragons are literally used for sport, in lotr one took an entire kingdom and turned it into a bachelor pad
Also lotr has a low number of competent mages, in hp they raise them in the thousands, seems one sided to me as to which dark lord would be stronger given the environment
I've already responded to his insult, you don't need to get in the last word.
DatPedro
Skeletron
Corrected Lord Sauron name for ya. But, the mace is not common. Also, The Ring could be used to make Voldy tell orcs where the horcruxes are and them make him kill himself. Also, Sauron could not be killed, as he is immortal, so i don't see how Voldy win. I know Elder Wand just don't killed Harry because it is tecnically his, but Voldemort could have been smarter than that. So let's see:
Sauron:
-Haves a nose
-Was defeated by a group of trained adults with a Maiar and a legendary sword.
-Never really died
Voldemort:
-Defeated by a group of teenagers
-Died
-Dont have a nose! OHMYGOSH(jk)
Armys:
Sauron=9 Nazgul,1 Witch King, A TON of orcs, uruks, etc (he could recruit smaug for money)
Voldemort- A ton of strong death eaters,dementors and other things.
Sauron Witch King haves magic stronger than DE, and himself can use magic.
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But Smaug is not a common dragon. Compare him to most HP Dragons and you'll see.
Very important here; debate the topic, not the poster. There is absolutely no need for insults in any form here.
Don't forget though; he "sort of" died multiple times. Not a good track record.
Don't forget though; he "sort of" died multiple times. Not a good track record.
DatPedro
Skeletron
His body died, not soul
I don't see a contradiction with what I said.
DatPedro
Skeletron
Oh, got it now. "Died" in, like... being incapable to fight
Brony Bonfire
Eye of Cthulhu
I hadn't seen your response sorry.
I think you're letting bias blind you from some obvious facts in this fight, a flaming eyeball has no chance agains a fully realised wizard packing insta kill.
Strength or weapons are laughable at best against a phrase that'll kill you. The dragon example was a reference to the difference in power the two franchises share.
TheQuietBisharp
Official Terrarian
Insta-kill on living things, mayhaps. Also, Sauron is not a flaming eye. We're going straight book canon.
DatPedro
Skeletron
What? Sauron never turned into a tower with a eye in books. Books are the source, at least if you read them. I only got 2 HP books, and i prefer the movie.
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Yeah, Sauron never was a eyeball
Charmander27
Queen Bee
I believe that a lot of the weapons that the main heroes/villians had in LotR would fit this criteria, and Middle Earth was not short on its supply of valuable/powerful magical weapons and artifacts.
What I meant was that the horcruxes seemed, in my general observations, to be able only to be destroyed early by magical artifacts, but would naturally wear (age) and die with the item it was bound to. Granted, HP wasn't even long enough for Nagini to die (of "natural" causes), so we'd never know for sure.
Morgoth
Terrarian
Some things to think about:
- Wasn't the Great Gate of Gondor was broken by a spell coming from the Witch-King, and not by the physical impact of Grond the battering ram? If so, that says something about what the Nazgul could do in terms of magic.
- How much harm would a Patronus do to a Nazgul? I imagine it would at least have some effect.
Sauron's a Maia, right? According to the Silmarillion, they were near-immune to magic, so that would likely make a difference.Never mind, this point has been made already. (I think)
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neoselket
Ice Queen
if that was true,(not saying it isn't) then fiendfyre would be able to destroy the ring. and no, horcruxes do not age. first off, they're just sitting there, and they're also heavily enchanted, so it would probably take thousands of years for a horcrux to completely deteriorate, if it did at all.
i've been reading the books, and multiple times it mentions sauron as a flaming eye, such as when pippin looked in the palantir.
Darkwraith332
Skeletron
Oh you little necromancer you!
Charmander27
Queen Bee
That was my point.
Darkwraith332
Skeletron
Let's not forget the nigh impenetrable fortress wasteland Sauron has...........