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Little Gems From the Wiki Episode 2: The Saga Continues

TMB50

Terrarian
Yet another page that, similarly to the Suspicious Looking Tentacle, has a weird edit history is the Meatball. Similarily to how the SLT's page got constantly changed because of the likely tentacle porn reference, the Meatball's page got a lot of edits because the flail's sprite (Unintentionally) looks like it has a swastika in the ball. Apart from that, there's also this:
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=481009
Apart from that, the many attempts at mentioning that the Meatball's sprite has a swastika can get REALLY weird at some points:
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=558908
This is the lastest attempt. Note how the editor throught WW2 lasted a single year.
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=389163
Looks like, rather than beating around the bush, this editor used the article's flail to beat the crap out of the area near the bush without actually hitting it.
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=388870
Doesn't mention the swastika, but this editor was really salty about not being able to add it.
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=389080
Another salty editor.
http://terraria.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=The_Meatball&oldid=389191
At least this editor was straight-forward.
 

Xylia

Terrarian
@The kamen rider :

I think the Cross Necklace bit is justified. Even though the thing has a different effect (it destroys everything on screen in CV games), it is still an iconic item in video gaming history and I am assuming that Red put it in Terraria as a reference to Castlevania, because it is well-known.

It is true that there's a real-life necklace, and a lot of people believe it can act as a good luck charm of sorts but that doesn't mean that Red didn't put it in Terraria as a reference, as Terraria is filled to the brim with refs to other games.

The only thing I see that the writer of that did wrong, is by specifying the "first" Castlevania game, as the Rosary is in pretty much ALL the Castlevania games AFAIK. But that's a minor little nitpick.
 

The kamen rider

Empress of Light
@The kamen rider :

I think the Cross Necklace bit is justified. Even though the thing has a different effect (it destroys everything on screen in CV games), it is still an iconic item in video gaming history and I am assuming that Red put it in Terraria as a reference to Castlevania, because it is well-known.

It is true that there's a real-life necklace, and a lot of people believe it can act as a good luck charm of sorts but that doesn't mean that Red didn't put it in Terraria as a reference, as Terraria is filled to the brim with refs to other games.

The only thing I see that the writer of that did wrong, is by specifying the "first" Castlevania game, as the Rosary is in pretty much ALL the Castlevania games AFAIK. But that's a minor little nitpick.
Iconic? When I think Castlevania I, and most likely most people, think Whip. And like you said, There is a RL version of that thing and it could be that Red has based it on that instead of an object that looks like it and thats it. The ones in CV aren`t even gold. (You can check that yourself). That is like saying that the Copper Shortsword is a reference to the Master Sword since both are swords.
 
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Jonathan.

Terrarian
Why should the Cross Necklaxe be a reference to anything in any video game? It's just a cross necklace, they're not exactly iconic to one specific game, wich, for example, the Companion Cube is. The Cross Necklace from Terraria isn't the first image you see when you google it.
 

Xylia

Terrarian
Well, given that there's no whips in Terraria, what's the next thing down the list of things to reference to Castlevania?

The Rosary is a very powerful item that can save your butt in certain areas (and indeed, in some places the devs placed it there purely to give the player a way through a particularly difficult area).

Might not be the same exact color, but does it have to be? It's still a powerful item that any Castlevania player would recognize instantly.

Not understanding why you guys feel the need to attack every minor little thing on the wiki... yes some of the stuff is stupid, but this one isn't anywhere near as bad as the others. There is some evidence behind the necklace being a reference, and I really don't see the harm in mentioning it.

I think that perhaps the people in this thread are a little too zealous in coming up with stuff to add to this thread, to be honest. It's like a witch hunt for anything that is remotely close to a "bad edit" on the wiki, and I can't help but to wonder if it doesn't promote a bit of nazi-sm about edits that you find on, say, tvtropes where if what you say isn't exactly perfect, someone will go in there and delete the whole thing.

I don't want to see the wiki become another tvtropes, where some nazi will delete whole blocks of text because it isn't up to his/her standards. Tvtropes and wikis grow with user inputs, that's the very definition of wiki. Being a nazi about the stuff discourages people from posting anything because they know it is just gonna get deleted anyways.

If that's going to be the case, why not remove the trivia and fun sections altogether?

I sometimes wonder why tvtropes doesn't just delete the whole website for the same reason -- their front page claims that they're there for fun, but yet if you dare post something that they call "natter", BOOM, it's gone. Why even post anything, then? I've had a few things deleted and there was really nothing wrong with it, but you know, they got a witch hunt going against this "natter" thing... *rolls eyes*

So I stopped posting, and I bet a lot of other people did too, because that goes against what the site was supposedly supposed to be for in the first place.

I'm starting to see the same thing happening with this wiki, where people are doing witch-hunts all over the trivia section, and I'm wondering if they should just remove it altogether if people are gonna do this.

EDIT: And again, I am not saying we should ignore some of the truly bad stuff, and vandalism. I know that there are egregious examples of horrible edits, and those very much should be removed. I am in no way saying otherwise, but I would urge against witch-hunts and nazism over the whole thing, to where everything even remotely questionable is not only removed, but made fun of. I know making fun of people is hard to resist, but I really don't think it is necessary. In fact, this whole thread I'm wondering if it is even necessary.

In fact, this thread almost violates TCF rules anyways, if the wiki and TCF were one, it probably would. Making fun of people is generally against the rules, the only loophole here is that the wiki and TCF are two different websites. The behavior is still toxic either way.

Delete the bad edits/vandalism, yes. Making fun of people? I don't think that's necessary. Perhaps @Tunnel King , @Leinfors , etc could comment on this.
 

Tunnel King

Terrarian
Administrator
I do tend to agree that this thread has turned somewhat mean-spirited at times, and that's not something we (the staff) like to see. Even if the target of the barbs is not another TCF member, we tend to frown on such things. If mocking and making fun of others is your idea of a good time - maybe you should take a look at yourself.

I don't see the point of linking things from the wiki's Edit history, either. Given that the Curse/Gamepedia folks spend a good amount of time cleaning up the vandalism and incorrect information there, I really don't get why people want to dredge it up out of the shadows. They were purposely hidden/removed for a reason.

I'm going to bring it up for discussion with the other staff members, but maybe this topic has exhausted its original (tenuous) purpose.
 

darthmorf

Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
I do tend to agree that this thread has turned somewhat mean-spirited at times, and that's not something we (the staff) like to see. Even if the target of the barbs is not another TCF member, we tend to frown on such things. If mocking and making fun of others is your idea of a good time - maybe you should take a look at yourself.

I don't see the point of linking things from the wiki's Edit history, either. Given that the Curse/Gamepedia folks spend a good amount of time cleaning up the vandalism and incorrect information there, I really don't get why people want to dredge it up out of the shadows. They were purposely hidden/removed for a reason.

I'm going to bring it up for discussion with the other staff members, but maybe this topic has exhausted its original (tenuous) purpose.
If you feel this is going to go the same way as TCF Screenshots, I would suggest a similar solution.
 

Cyanopsia

King Slime
I do tend to agree that this thread has turned somewhat mean-spirited at times, and that's not something we (the staff) like to see. Even if the target of the barbs is not another TCF member, we tend to frown on such things. If mocking and making fun of others is your idea of a good time - maybe you should take a look at yourself.

I don't see the point of linking things from the wiki's Edit history, either. Given that the Curse/Gamepedia folks spend a good amount of time cleaning up the vandalism and incorrect information there, I really don't get why people want to dredge it up out of the shadows. They were purposely hidden/removed for a reason.

I'm going to bring it up for discussion with the other staff members, but maybe this topic has exhausted its original (tenuous) purpose.
True, this thread can be rather mean, and it's pretty slow at times. It was fun while it lasted, but I don't think we'll get much from keeping it.
 

spongedog

Skeletron Prime
I do tend to agree that this thread has turned somewhat mean-spirited at times, and that's not something we (the staff) like to see. Even if the target of the barbs is not another TCF member, we tend to frown on such things. If mocking and making fun of others is your idea of a good time - maybe you should take a look at yourself.

I don't see the point of linking things from the wiki's Edit history, either. Given that the Curse/Gamepedia folks spend a good amount of time cleaning up the vandalism and incorrect information there, I really don't get why people want to dredge it up out of the shadows. They were purposely hidden/removed for a reason.

I'm going to bring it up for discussion with the other staff members, but maybe this topic has exhausted its original (tenuous) purpose.
I've never seen it as mean. Most of the people here just point out the mistakes, and very few actually mention the person who did them. I don't think it's good to kill off a massive thread like this because of a few people.
 

Xylia

Terrarian
I've never seen it as mean. Most of the people here just point out the mistakes, and very few actually mention the person who did them. I don't think it's good to kill off a massive thread like this because of a few people.

But yet, when people "point out the mistakes", it is usually for humor in the bad sort of way, like they're making fun of people and being rude about it.

I don't really see what value this thread adds to TCF, in fact it brings out some of the very things we don't want in the community. As Tunnel King said, said edits were buried away from public view for a reason, why dredge it up? The wiki was already cleaned up and the vandalism/bad edits can just be forgotten, and we can all move on. No reason to dwell upon them.

It's kinda like that guy that goes "Remember what your brother did 15 years ago?" and you're like "...why are you bringing this up, again?"
 

MegaMage314

Plantera
Yeah, people bringing up the edit history for this kind of thing is just unnecessary. If it's something like that "fixed Zelda" joke from the last page, then it's fine, but there's no reason to go out of your way to find mistakes that have long since been fixed.
 

spongedog

Skeletron Prime
But yet, when people "point out the mistakes", it is usually for humor in the bad sort of way, like they're making fun of people and being rude about it.

I don't really see what value this thread adds to TCF, in fact it brings out some of the very things we don't want in the community. As Tunnel King said, said edits were buried away from public view for a reason, why dredge it up? The wiki was already cleaned up and the vandalism/bad edits can just be forgotten, and we can all move on. No reason to dwell upon them.

It's kinda like that guy that goes "Remember what your brother did 15 years ago?" and you're like "...why are you bringing this up, again?"
Something about the "It being rude" argument is did anyone ever come into this thread and say people were being mean to them? No one's ever complained about harassment, so your attacking a non-existing problem. About what it adds, I could say that about any other post. Does anything anyone posts on this forum actually add value to the form? The fact is I like this forum, so it adds value just for that. Anyone who read this thread and gained enjoyment gives this whole thread value. That's how all threads work.
 

Tunnel King

Terrarian
Administrator
Something about the "It being rude" argument is did anyone ever come into this thread and say people were being mean to them? No one's ever complained about harassment, so your attacking a non-existing problem. About what it adds, I could say that about any other post. Does anything anyone posts on this forum actually add value to the form? The fact is I like this forum, so it adds value just for that. Anyone who read this thread and gained enjoyment gives this whole thread value. That's how all threads work.
It's not a requirement for someone to complain of harassment for a post to be rude. The culture we try to promote here is one of mutual respect. There's certainly room for fun and humor, but not at the expense of others.

It seems to me that a much better use of the detective work done here is to join in the efforts to make the Wiki better. Anyone can make an account and help edit the wiki, with little more effort than it take to point and laugh.
 

spongedog

Skeletron Prime
It's not a requirement for someone to complain of harassment for a post to be rude. The culture we try to promote here is one of mutual respect. There's certainly room for fun and humor, but not at the expense of others.

It seems to me that a much better use of the detective work done here is to join in the efforts to make the Wiki better. Anyone can make an account and help edit the wiki, with little more effort than it take to point and laugh.
Or we could edit it and get a laugh out of it which is what most people who post us do. And rather then it being rude i'm saying that no one actually thinks it's rude. At least not rude enough to be a problem.
 

Xylia

Terrarian
Or we could edit it and get a laugh out of it which is what most people who post us do. And rather then it being rude i'm saying that no one actually thinks it's rude. At least not rude enough to be a problem.

"If you don't have anything nice to say........."
 

W1K

Witch
Or we could edit it and get a laugh out of it which is what most people who post us do. And rather then it being rude i'm saying that no one actually thinks it's rude. At least not rude enough to be a problem.
That's like saying the fire does not burn because nobody touched it.

In all honesty, I'm one of the biggest culprits as I did indeed make some nasty posts specifically complaining about the wiki, both on this thread and elsewhere, and I'm not proud of them either. I eventually stopped caring altogether because I realize the border-line of what is considered a joke and straight out douchebaggery on this kind of topic is way too thin to even be worth the effort for just "a few laughs". Sarcasm also doesn't translate over the internet so in lack of better judgement anything can be pretty much taken out of context.
 

spongedog

Skeletron Prime
I still think it would be a big mistake to delete/lock/whatever this thread. It's brought a lot of enjoyment to many people.
 

Cyanopsia

King Slime
I still think it would be a big mistake to delete/lock/whatever this thread. It's brought a lot of enjoyment to many people.
But you say that as if it's a primary or sole source of enjoyment. There are many other threads on this forum alone that can be found just as amusing as this one, but not at the expense of others. Aside from that, many Terraria YouTubers who make entertaining videos can be found on these forums, and they have years worth of content. Also, this whole website is still just a very small part of the internet. Chances are, this thread isn't anybody's only source of enjoyment.
 

Sigma90

Brain of Cthulhu
I do tend to agree that this thread has turned somewhat mean-spirited at times, and that's not something we (the staff) like to see. Even if the target of the barbs is not another TCF member, we tend to frown on such things. If mocking and making fun of others is your idea of a good time - maybe you should take a look at yourself.
I - and most others, I'm sure - have never intended to mock others. If anything I've posted could be construed as offensive or mocking, I'd delete it without a second thought. It's never been my intention, but sometimes in the pursuit of being funny, potentially offensive things are posted.

If the staff think that the thread is mean-spirited, then please by all means, delete the thread. Don't let it be a blight on the forums as a whole. Then if there's an 'episode 3' or this thread is allowed to continue: if someone posts something mean, send a PM to give them a little tap on the shoulder so they're aware. If it continues, then perhaps dish out warnings as per normal forum rules.

It seems to me that a much better use of the detective work done here is to join in the efforts to make the Wiki better. Anyone can make an account and help edit the wiki, with little more effort than it take to point and laugh.
Personally, I always fix things if I find it. But I only fix/change things I know for sure are wrong.
 

Murphmario

Retinazer
I have also meant no bad intentions. In fact, I've debated with myself with posting something from the Tavernkeep page, but I ultimately didn't fearing a warning.
 
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