It's important to distinguish that the PC engine isn't being reworked, only the console version. So the console rework will not slow down the PC development because there are two different teams working on either: the PC team doesn't work on the console version and vice versa. As for engine reworks always being a waste of time, I'd have to disagree with you: while engine reworks don't directly contribute anything to the game itself, their entire point is to save time in the long run, and enable future updates that otherwise would be impossible, or simply not feasible. In many cases, reworking the engine is worth it over continuing down a forsaken road (or simply quitting development altogether).
The reason why they didn't use the PC engine for consoles is because it literally could never work. The PC engine is written in XNA, a framework that was only supported by the XBox 360 (because both are created by Microsoft), and not by the Playstation 3 (because that's Sony's), or any other at the time conceivable non-Microsoft console (and eventually not even Microsoft consoles like the XBox One, since XNA was discontinued somewhere around 2013). Had the console version been written in XNA, it would only have worked on Microsoft devices, and nowhere else, meaning that either PS3 would have to be left out, or that it would have gotten its own version, essentially doubling the required amount of work. So what the console developers did was write a custom engine (XNA isn't technically an engine, but for the purposes of this conversation, laissez-faire) that could be used across both consoles.
The problem, however, is that when that version was being worked on, PC Terraria was considered dead. The console versions were essentially Terraria as it existed at that point, plus some extra goodies (which is what this thread is all about). So not only is the current console version substantially different from (today's) PC engine because it has to be (for not being able to use XNA), but also because it wasn't written to accommodate substantial future updates (which, to be fair, PC Terraria was not either, thus the titanic internal differences between 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 Terraria). The 1.2 update on console still used the 1.1 engine, figuratively overloading it, like a laptop drawing a higher current from its adapter than the adapter is supposed to supply. Furthermore, they were running 1.2 Terraria, a contemporary game, on consoles that were at that time almost a decade old. And finally, while their custom engine worked on consoles, mobile devices were another breed of machine all together, requiring their own version yet again (a derivative of a derivative, if you will).
Right now, the game is being rewritten in Unity, which is a very good choice for cross-platform development (meaning that the same code base can be used for all devices). Not only that, the way it is written now allows it to accommodate for a wide variety of new content, allowing it not only to update faster, but also making it much more unlikely that adding something new (which is what Terraria 1.X updates just love to do
) will invalidate the entire thing (thereby reducing the amount of QA needed).So yeah, it's not all doom and gloom. You may view it as a setback, but it's a necessary setback.
ECloudy
Skeletron Prime
Heheh, well I'm glad that I've got the PS3 version
MarthKoopa
Terrarian
These kinds of overly aggresive posts will not be tolerated on this forum.
You know, your posts make you sound like a massive douchebag. Passive aggressive smiles aren't necessaryExcept that my opinion is also shared by the creators of the game - on all fronts. He would need FAR more than "tweaks" to hit our standards and vision. I'm sorry we disagree there, but I am just being honest with you.
I haven't seen any other dev state what you're saying so to me you're just full of
Running with scissors
Skeletron Prime
Yay an update
NASA
Terrarian
What about the events? Like st Patrick, oktoberfest etc. They Will be remover too?
Mobile exclusives have not been reviewed yet. This is literally undecided at this time; we will announce that information as soon as a final decision has been made.
Mom
Terrarian
T-Minus 14 days and some Change for either disappointment or happy 1.3 funtime, terraria time.
Delete This Account
Terrarian
I can't give this enough likes.It's important to distinguish that the PC engine isn't being reworked, only the console version. So the console rework will not slow down the PC development because there are two different teams working on either: the PC team doesn't work on the console version and vice versa. As for engine reworks always being a waste of time, I'd have to disagree with you: while engine reworks don't directly contribute anything to the game itself, their entire point is to save time in the long run, and enable future updates that otherwise would be impossible, or simply not feasible. In many cases, reworking the engine is worth it over continuing down a forsaken road (or simply quitting development altogether).
The reason why they didn't use the PC engine for consoles is because it literally could never work. The PC engine is written in XNA, a framework that was only supported by the XBox 360 (because both are created by Microsoft), and not by the Playstation 3 (because that's Sony's), or any other at the time conceivable non-Microsoft console (and eventually not even Microsoft consoles like the XBox One, since XNA was discontinued somewhere around 2013). Had the console version been written in XNA, it would only have worked on Microsoft devices, and nowhere else, meaning that either PS3 would have to be left out, or that it would have gotten its own version, essentially doubling the required amount of work. So what the console developers did was write a custom engine (XNA isn't technically an engine, but for the purposes of this conversation, laissez-faire) that could be used across both consoles.
The problem, however, is that when that version was being worked on, PC Terraria was considered dead. The console versions were essentially Terraria as it existed at that point, plus some extra goodies (which is what this thread is all about). So not only is the current console version substantially different from (today's) PC engine because it has to be (for not being able to use XNA), but also because it wasn't written to accommodate substantial future updates (which, to be fair, PC Terraria was not either, thus the titanic internal differences between 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 Terraria). The 1.2 update on console still used the 1.1 engine, figuratively overloading it, like a laptop drawing a higher current from its adapter than the adapter is supposed to supply. Furthermore, they were running 1.2 Terraria, a contemporary game, on consoles that were at that time almost a decade old. And finally, while their custom engine worked on consoles, mobile devices were another breed of machine all together, requiring their own version yet again (a derivative of a derivative, if you will).
Right now, the game is being rewritten in Unity, which is a very good choice for cross-platform development (meaning that the same code base can be used for all devices). Not only that, the way it is written now allows it to accommodate for a wide variety of new content, allowing it not only to update faster, but also making it much more unlikely that adding something new (which is what Terraria 1.X updates just love to do
So yeah, it's not all doom and gloom. You may view it as a setback, but it's a necessary setback.
ReusableLime20
Slime Collector
Yeah, it's hard only getting to like something once...
Edit: The irony of only getting one like.
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Just because no other dev has said this doesn't mean it isn't true
Edit:Why does it say on your profile you're 67 years old?
Edit 2:Whoops, forgot to edit instead of double post.
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The Sweeth Slime Guy
Skeletron
I never have played console Terraria but I'm not happy about this. For once in my life I empathize with the console peasants, especially because I've always wanted the pets and Ocram in PC. I know I'm being a hater, feel free to dab on me, but I feel your pain, filthy console peasants.
ReusableLime20
Slime Collector
Am I a console peasant if I started on console, but also got PC?
Delete This Account
Terrarian
The double negatives here make it really hard to read. You basically said "Just because another dev has said this does mean it's true."
Sorry, my inner grammar nazi is strong.
Withered_Wyvern
Terrarian
I do have one major question.
Gravity Globe. Will we still get to keep our Gravity Globes? I know it's not supposed to be in but I personally always thought of it as an apology gift for the god awful 1.2 launch way back in the day.
Yeah, and our infinite flight Red's wings? Probably not lol
Gravity Globe. Will we still get to keep our Gravity Globes? I know it's not supposed to be in but I personally always thought of it as an apology gift for the god awful 1.2 launch way back in the day.
Yeah, and our infinite flight Red's wings? Probably not lol
ReusableLime20
Slime Collector
I need to change the "hasn't" don't I...The double negatives here make it really hard to read. You basically said "Just because another dev has said this does mean it's true."
Sorry, my inner grammar nazi is strong.
P.S. Don't worry, I'm grammer nazi-ish, but I was spacing out as I wrote that.
Gravity Globe is officially being added in 1.3, so yes you get to keep it, you hacker!
The Solar God
Empress of Light
I'd rather you not refer to us as "peasants"
My only current problem with the console update (Besides the fact I don't have it yet) is that it looks like they're changing the map to be in line with PC. I like the map used on console. I can look ahead for traps instead of not knowing they're there until after springing them. I play hardcore a lot and it's kind bull crap getting really far on it and then suddenly an almost completely invisible dynamite trap ruins my run and I have to start a new world. (I know I don't actually have to start a new world but my charatcer's dead and I don't really consider it hardcore unless you have to properly start again.)
MarthKoopa
Terrarian
I forgot old people aren't allowed to play video games
I'll just go back to the nursing home and listen to jazz records all day
ShadowOfDarkness
Duke Fishron
I haven't played much PC Terraria, but switching to a set of Wire Cutters does still show where wire is, I think, taking trap-finding from impossible without using your character's foot, to easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832.
ReusableLime20
Slime Collector
No, you can play, I was just confuse, I thought you might have changed it to the wrong thing on accident. Good on you Sir!
World Writer E-cat
Skeletron Prime
I have several comments on things thus far, so I'll just put them all into one post.
I'm not a peasant, I am a Faun-Lord.
Don't be upset, I think people in their 60's who play video games are cool.
I wonder how many times he'll have to post this before people understand.
Also, sorry if none of this was really on-topic.
I'm not a peasant, I am a Faun-Lord.
Don't be upset, I think people in their 60's who play video games are cool.
Mobile exclusives have not been reviewed yet. This is literally undecided at this time; we will announce that information as soon as a final decision has been made.
I wonder how many times he'll have to post this before people understand.
Also, sorry if none of this was really on-topic.
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