Other Petition to Redigit (Red please read it)

[80riNG]

I am realy sad. I am sad becouse half of hardmode content is almost always skipped by most players. Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon, Fishron, Empress, Martian Madness or Hardmode Dungeon. Most of those things are not even worth checking out most of the time. Many players will never see those cool sprites made for enemies and weapons present there. It makes my feel sick. There is no single reason to do empress of light currently. Becouse why would anybody do it red? You can kill cultist anyway and get more powerful weapons from pillars. I am so done with people that bully my empress with pillar weapons. It makes me feel angry. Pls make her part of progression. Make her a boss between golem and cultists. Let people feel her wrath. Dont let people tarnish her good name any longer by defeating her with super op weapons. This change would also encourage more people to try doing pumpkin moon and frost moon and martians. Think about it? Currently nobody cares about those events. Becouse why would you? Golem and Cultist are pushovers. Nobody treat them serious. And after that you get pillar weapons for free anyway. Think about pumpkin & frost moon and martians. There are many amazing weapons in those events that could be great against empress. It could work so well. Why couldnt you see it Red? Bat scepter from pumpking, razorpine from everscream, elf meter, chaingun from santank, blizzard staff, snowman cannon from ice queen, xenopopper, electrosphere launcher, influx waver from martian sauser. Do you remember those weapons Red? You created them. But nobody even cares about them anymore. All of those weapons would come back to life again if empress was part of progression. Please make this beautiful lady a mandatory boss (between golem and cultist) and make this game endgame better than ever.

No matter what you choose Red from now on whenever i play terraria, empress of light is part of progression for me at least. I will pretend to not see cultist that spawn in dungeon after i kill golem. And only after i defeat her i will attempt cultist fight. Thats all from me. Please consider my proposal. Deep in your heart you must see that this makes sense. Have a good day.​

 

[Green_Metaknight]

Golem is only a pushover because most people have been playing long enough to remember when he was a pushover, and thus have mastered his attack patterns to the tiniest detail.

 

[Void_Chaos]

I am realy sad. I am sad becouse half of hardmode content is almost always skipped by most players. Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon, Fishron, Empress, Martian Madness or Hardmode Dungeon. Most of those things are not even worth checking out most of the time. Many players will never see those cool sprites made for enemies and weapons present there. It makes my feel sick. There is no single reason to do empress of light currently. Becouse why would anybody do it red? You can kill cultist anyway and get more powerful weapons from pillars. I am so done with people that bully my empress with pillar weapons. It makes me feel angry. Pls make her part of progression. Make her a boss between golem and cultists. Let people feel her wrath. Dont let people tarnish her good name any longer by defeating her with super op weapons. This change would also encourage more people to try doing pumpkin moon and frost moon and martians. Think about it? Currently nobody cares about those events. Becouse why would you? Golem and Cultist are pushovers. Nobody treat them serious. And after that you get pillar weapons for free anyway. Think about pumpkin & frost moon and martians. There are many amazing weapons in those events that could be great against empress. It could work so well. Why couldnt you see it Red? Bat scepter from pumpking, razorpine from everscream, elf meter, chaingun from santank, blizzard staff, snowman cannon from ice queen, xenopopper, electrosphere launcher, influx waver from martian sauser. Do you remember those weapons Red? You created them. But nobody even cares about them anymore. All of those weapons would come back to life again if empress was part of progression. Please make this beautiful lady a mandatory boss (between golem and cultist) and make this game endgame better than ever.

No matter what you choose Red from now on whenever i play terraria, empress of light is part of progression for me at least. I will pretend to not see cultist that spawn in dungeon after i kill golem. And only after i defeat her i will attempt cultist fight. Thats all from me. Please consider my proposal. Deep in your heart you must see that this makes sense. Have a good day.​

I don't think as many people skip most of those things as you think. I can agree with skipping EoL and the events, but not fishron or the dungeon. Otherwise a thought out suggestion.

 

[Bacchios Corax]

Basically you mean that all optional bosses and events should become part of progression. I don't think much would change. I like to beat all optional bosses and events personally. There's only one boss I don't bother to farm and that's Skeletron and he's not even optional. I only kill him once to progress. He is a bit of a bother to summon and he gives the least items as a boss.

 

[80riNG]

Golem is only a pushover because most people have been playing long enough to remember when he was a pushover, and thus have mastered his attack patterns to the tiniest detail.

Ok. Serious talk. Do you ever farm for better gear before fighting golem? Or do you use same stuff that you used for plantera? I will answer for you what i do. I use same gear for all 3 bosses. Plantera, Golem and Cultists. Than i destroy pillars and get op weapons from there. By doing this i skip a lot of cool stuff (pumpkin&frost moon, martians, old one army, fishron). But this ends here. Like i said in petition above. From now on until i dont defeat empress i will not touch cultist. This will motivate me to try all of those cool events.

 

[80riNG]

I don't think as many people skip most of those things as you think. I can agree with skipping EoL and the events, but not fishron or the dungeon. Otherwise a thought out suggestion.

Yea some people do fishron. But literally nobody does empress. People only bully her after they defeat moonlord. They use then op weapons against her to destroy her. That is just sad.

 

[80riNG]

Basically you mean that all optional bosses and events should become part of progression. I don't think much would change. I like to beat all optional bosses and events personally. There's only one boss I don't bother to farm and that's Skeletron and he's not even optional. I only kill him once to progress. He is a bit of a bother to summon and he gives the least items as a boss.

No i dont think all bosses and events should be part of progression. I just think empress would fit so well. It would make a lot of things so much better. For me she is part of progression anyway from now on. I will treat her with respect she deserve. No more cheesing her with pillar weapons!

 

[Void_Chaos]

Ok. Serious talk. Do you ever farm for better gear before fighting golem? Or do you use same stuff that you used for plantera? I will answer for you what i do. I use same gear for all 3 bosses. Plantera, Golem and Cultists. Than i destroy pillars and get op weapons from there. By doing this i skip a lot of cool stuff (pumpkin&frost moon, martians, old one army, fishron). But this ends here. Like i said in petition above. From now on until i dont defeat empress i will not touch cultist. This will motivate me to try all of those cool events.

You're telling us that you do not grind out bosses for better armor. That's a choice you make yourself and realistically speaking those "not necessary" bosses are very necessary. I'm assuming you're just on a different wavelength than most considering you probably use hallowed armor for its dodge chance. Once again, not many people have that playstyle and people often do those bosses and the dungeon for convinience. People who play the mage class simply have to get the razorpine and there are few who skip out on it. Summoner players usually get spooky wood armor and several things from the pumpkin moon. On top of that, mage players, range players, and sometimes melee players have necessary weapons in the dungeon. This doesn't even include the Master Ninja Gear, a pinnacle of most builds.

 

[a really far away planet]

Golem is only a pushover because most people have been playing long enough to remember when he was a pushover, and thus have mastered his attack patterns to the tiniest detail.

I started playing Terraria when he WAS “harder”. He’s still just a pushover and can easily be beaten, even on Expert / Master Mode.

 

[80riNG]

You're telling us that you do not grind out bosses for better armor. That's a choice you make yourself and realistically speaking those "not necessary" bosses are very necessary. I'm assuming you're just on a different wavelength than most considering you probably use hallowed armor for its dodge chance. Once again, not many people have that playstyle and people often do those bosses and the dungeon for convinience. People who play the mage class simply have to get the razorpine and there are few who skip out on it. Summoner players usually get spooky wood armor and several things from the pumpkin moon. On top of that, mage players, range players, and sometimes melee players have necessary weapons in the dungeon. This doesn't even include the Master Ninja Gear, a pinnacle of most builds.

Sad part is that in current meta almost all drops from Pumpking, Ice Queen and Martian Saucer are useless basically... Not worth grinding most of the time at all

 

[80riNG]

I started playing Terraria when he WAS “harder”. He’s still just a pushover and can easily be beaten, even on Expert / Master Mode.

Empress of Light is the only boss that can truly motivate anybody to get better weapons from Ice Queen for example. Currently Ice Queen drops are useless. But if Empress was progression part after golem. Trust me, everyone would try to put their hands on Snowman Cannon. It would come back to life from grave! This weapon is just perfect against her. But why would you do it currently. Just kill cultist. Get vortex beater from pillars. Get some chlorophyte bullets and go brrrrrr. Disgusting. Btw i have vortex beater with all my heart. Hate the sound it makes, hate inaccuracy, hate the rockets it shots and hate how it looks. Grrrrr.....

 

[Void_Chaos]

Sad part is that in current meta almost all drops from Pumpking, Ice Queen and Martian Saucer are useless basically... Not worth grinding most of the time at all

That is brutally wrong. Items like the witches broom, the stake launcher, pumpkin launcher, and the horsemen's blade (part of the zenith and an amazing weapon) drop from pumpking. Ice queen drops the North Pole, another powerful mage item. Martian saucer drops Xenopopper, cosmic car key, and the influx waver; all very powerful items in their respective runs. Although I disagree with you, I do see your point on the Ice Queen. It doesnt drop as many items as the others and it isn't as essential.

 

[hummerholt]

I am realy sad. I am sad becouse half of hardmode content is almost always skipped by most players. Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon, Fishron, Empress, Martian Madness or Hardmode Dungeon. Most of those things are not even worth checking out most of the time. Many players will never see those cool sprites made for enemies and weapons present there. It makes my feel sick. There is no single reason to do empress of light currently. Becouse why would anybody do it red? You can kill cultist anyway and get more powerful weapons from pillars. I am so done with people that bully my empress with pillar weapons. It makes me feel angry. Pls make her part of progression. Make her a boss between golem and cultists. Let people feel her wrath. Dont let people tarnish her good name any longer by defeating her with super op weapons. This change would also encourage more people to try doing pumpkin moon and frost moon and martians. Think about it? Currently nobody cares about those events. Becouse why would you? Golem and Cultist are pushovers. Nobody treat them serious. And after that you get pillar weapons for free anyway. Think about pumpkin & frost moon and martians. There are many amazing weapons in those events that could be great against empress. It could work so well. Why couldnt you see it Red? Bat scepter from pumpking, razorpine from everscream, elf meter, chaingun from santank, blizzard staff, snowman cannon from ice queen, xenopopper, electrosphere launcher, influx waver from martian sauser. Do you remember those weapons Red? You created them. But nobody even cares about them anymore. All of those weapons would come back to life again if empress was part of progression. Please make this beautiful lady a mandatory boss (between golem and cultist) and make this game endgame better than ever.

No matter what you choose Red from now on whenever i play terraria, empress of light is part of progression for me at least. I will pretend to not see cultist that spawn in dungeon after i kill golem. And only after i defeat her i will attempt cultist fight. Thats all from me. Please consider my proposal. Deep in your heart you must see that this makes sense. Have a good day.​

My suggestion is to make the pillar weapons comparable to the ones you get from the moons, empress, duke fishron, martians and everything else that comes in progression right before the pillars. It makes zero sense that you have such a large variety of cool weapons from so many different events to only having basically two options per class that are way better than the others to fight moonlord with.

 

[80riNG]

That is brutally wrong. Items like the witches broom, the stake launcher, pumpkin launcher, and the horsemen's blade (part of the zenith and an amazing weapon) drop from pumpking. Ice queen drops the North Pole, another powerful mage item. Martian saucer drops Xenopopper, cosmic car key, and the influx waver; all very powerful items in their respective runs. Although I disagree with you, I do see your point on the Ice Queen. It doesnt drop as many items as the others and it isn't as essential.​

witches broom -> cool item (it drops from mourning wood btw not pumpking), it might be useful maybe to some extend when you fight pillars. you can maximize your damage or defense without worring about having wings and boots. but you can still defeat pillars on all difficulties anyway without flying mount. but it can be cool for builders too. not bad item i agree
stake laucher -> this item (it drops also from mourning wood) is trash category. i dont think it has any use at all. wait it can be used during first few waves of pumpkin and frost moon to penetrate through enemies. but it is not important anyway becouse you can build arena for those events that does not require this weapon.
pumpkin laucher -> this weapon is good for crowd actually. but where will you use it. if you want to farm frost moon it could be good for few first stages.
horseman's blade -> where this weapon would be used. for lunatic cultist? for golem? will you farm pumpkin event and than kill golem with this weapon? i dont think so. also when it comes to pillars. terrablade is just better. you can use it from safe distance. and it has insane crowd control potencial.
north pole -> trash weapon (no more comment). when you speak about it you meant blizzard staff
blizzard staff -> good weapon but were will you use it? will you farm for it to use it for cultist and for 1 pillar? becouse than you can get nebula blaze. this weapon would be realy useful if empress would be mandatory boss. it would be amazing against her.
xenopopper -> without chlorophyte bullets this weapon is trash tier. with chlorophyte bullets you can use it to fight cultist and then you upgrade to vortex beater.
cosmic car key -> similar to witches broom
influx waver -> this weapon is actually realy useful. you can take down pillars from far away after shield go down with this weapon. i realy like it​

 

[80riNG]

My suggestion is to make the pillar weapons comparable to the ones you get from the moons, empress, duke fishron, martians and everything else that comes in progression right before the pillars. It makes zero sense that you have such a large variety of cool weapons from so many different events to only having basically two options per class that are way better than the others to fight moonlord with.

all of this would be fixed if empress was part of progression. becouse then you will have a chance to use those weapons against her and after that you will progress to pillar weapons.

 

[Void_Chaos]

all of this would be fixed if empress was part of progression. becouse then you will have a chance to use those weapons against her and after that you will progress to pillar weapons.

You clearly have never used the drops from pumpking if you think they're trash. They are comparable to the endgame gear in some cases. Same applies with the Xenopopper. You're right about it being garbage without chlorophyte bullets, but with them it's very powerful. Thank you for the correction about the north pole. I respectfully disagree with most of that which was detailed except the part about the ice queen. The ice queen is somewhat lackluster. The majority of these weapons are intended to be used against bosses like EoL, Duke fishron, the Old One's Army, the other events, and the hm dungeon. They could also be utilized for moonlord and are useable substitutes for the vortex beater or phantasm. You not experiencing a part of the game is not a reason to alter progression, as the majority of people do not consider these things optional. It's like saying "I want the weapons from pre-hardmode to be viable against the mechs". Its not how progression works. The only valid arguement is to buff the weapons to be more useful, but not by much. Good luck with trying to pose an arguement from this point, as you seem very determined and you try to think things out. Maybe try and focus that towards new ideas, not changing what exists.

 

[Shаyd]

I am realy sad. I am sad becouse half of hardmode content is almost always skipped by most players. Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon, Fishron, Empress, Martian Madness or Hardmode Dungeon. Most of those things are not even worth checking out most of the time. Many players will never see those cool sprites made for enemies and weapons present there. It makes my feel sick. There is no single reason to do empress of light currently. Becouse why would anybody do it red? You can kill cultist anyway and get more powerful weapons from pillars. I am so done with people that bully my empress with pillar weapons. It makes me feel angry. Pls make her part of progression. Make her a boss between golem and cultists. Let people feel her wrath. Dont let people tarnish her good name any longer by defeating her with super op weapons. This change would also encourage more people to try doing pumpkin moon and frost moon and martians. Think about it? Currently nobody cares about those events. Becouse why would you? Golem and Cultist are pushovers. Nobody treat them serious. And after that you get pillar weapons for free anyway. Think about pumpkin & frost moon and martians. There are many amazing weapons in those events that could be great against empress. It could work so well. Why couldnt you see it Red? Bat scepter from pumpking, razorpine from everscream, elf meter, chaingun from santank, blizzard staff, snowman cannon from ice queen, xenopopper, electrosphere launcher, influx waver from martian sauser. Do you remember those weapons Red? You created them. But nobody even cares about them anymore. All of those weapons would come back to life again if empress was part of progression. Please make this beautiful lady a mandatory boss (between golem and cultist) and make this game endgame better than ever.

No matter what you choose Red from now on whenever i play terraria, empress of light is part of progression for me at least. I will pretend to not see cultist that spawn in dungeon after i kill golem. And only after i defeat her i will attempt cultist fight. Thats all from me. Please consider my proposal. Deep in your heart you must see that this makes sense. Have a good day.​

I think you know my opinion on this.
I'm negative on this proposal as a whole, though I agree on some things. Duke Fishron, Empress of Light, Frost and Pumpkin Moon are fine, though Martian Madness and Old One's Army do need an update.

 

[a really far away planet]

I think you know my opinion on this.
I'm negative on this proposal as a whole, though I agree on some things. Duke Fishron, Empress of Light, Frost and Pumpkin Moon are fine, though Martian Madness and Old One's Army do need an update.

Frost Legion definitely needs an update too

 

[Yousef the H]

I am realy sad. I am sad becouse half of hardmode content is almost always skipped by most players. Pumpkin Moon, Frost Moon, Fishron, Empress, Martian Madness or Hardmode Dungeon. Most of those things are not even worth checking out most of the time. Many players will never see those cool sprites made for enemies and weapons present there.​

so basically, you're telling me, summoners skip pumpkin moon, rangers and melee at times skip frost moon, absolutely ignore fishron, dob't even care about empress
and then the martian madness get ignored
and worst of all the post plant dungeon gets skipped?
i say they don't get skipped but get unnoticed, they're all optional for a reason

It makes my feel sick. There is no single reason to do empress of light currently.
Becouse why would anybody do it red?​

so eventide, the third best bow in the game gets completely ignored?
heck starlight is the best frickin true melee weapon don't you at least think that people use that in their true melee runs???
and also empress wings are tied with top 1 wings
and on expert mode you get one of the strongest accessories in the game

You can kill cultist anyway and get more powerful weapons from pillars.​

weapons aren't everything, accessory and armor very much matter, you'd be losing at least 20% of your defense and offense by ignoring the stuff you get from these "ignored stuff"

I am so done with people that bully my empress with pillar weapons. It makes me feel angry. Pls make her part of progression. Make her a boss between golem and cultists. Let people feel her wrath. Dont let people tarnish her good name any longer by defeating her with super op weapons.​

i don't mean you are, but this sounds like simping for me-

This change would also encourage more people to try doing pumpkin moon and frost moon and martians. Think about it? Currently nobody cares about those events.​

WHAT GIVES YOU THAT IDEA???????????
pumpkin moon gives you the best summoner armor for damage
frost moon gives you a bunch of really strong weapons for cultist and even pillars like razor pine, north pole, chain gun
martians do the same as frost moon with some great weapon drops

Becouse why would you? Golem and Cultist are pushovers. Nobody treat them serious.​

agree

And after that you get pillar weapons for free anyway.​

you treat this like everyone has the time to die and respawn 2000 times because "oh they're free anyways"
it gets annoying, if you die like just 40 times in pillars that's 10 minutes wasted staring at your death screen... IS THAT FUN??? IS THAT FREE????

Think about pumpkin & frost moon and martians. There are many amazing weapons in those events​

fax

that could be great against empress.​

sure but no need to make her required

It could work so well. Why couldnt you see it Red? Bat scepter from pumpking, razorpine from everscream, elf meter, chaingun from santank, blizzard staff, snowman cannon from ice queen, xenopopper, electrosphere launcher, influx waver from martian sauser. Do you remember those weapons Red?​

why red specifically, i get he's the most active member here but... nvm, either way those weapons are cool and get used a lot trust me

You created them. But nobody even cares about them anymore.​

PEOPLE DO!!
raven staff gets used until you get to martians for xeno staff which is what you use against cultist if you don't wanna do day time empress
you get chain gun and upgrade to xenopopper from martians as ranger till you get to pillars because ranger has no good crowd control
influx weaver and horseman's blade are frickin awesome trust me
you mentioned these weapons, YOU don't use them OTHERS DO!!!

All of those weapons would come back to life again if empress was part of progression.​

no

Please make this beautiful lady a mandatory boss (between golem and cultist) and make this game endgame better than ever.
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this just sounds like more simping

No matter what you choose Red from now on whenever i play terraria, empress of light is part of progression for me at least. I will pretend to not see cultist that spawn in dungeon after i kill golem. And only after i defeat her i will attempt cultist fight. Thats all from me. Please consider my proposal. Deep in your heart you must see that this makes sense. Have a good day.​

yet again more simping, but honestly cultist isn't as much of a pushover as you think, perhaps i've been playing too much modded terraria but i still see him as an obstacle to getting to fight pillars... just saying they aren't as ignored as you think, YOU might ignore them but the great options in there are recommended by everyone who plays this game and knows how good this stuff is

 

[Bun_is_Jamin🪓]

Sad part is that in current meta almost all drops from Pumpking, Ice Queen and Martian Saucer are useless basically... Not worth grinding most of the time at all

I feel like a lot of people do martians for the cosmic car keys; well, at least I do.