Other A Full Total Conversion for Terraria.

[AdultGamer]

First of I just want to introduce myself quickly.
Yes, I know there's a section for that, I am trying to be efficient.

INTRODUCING ME
1. I am an Adult, I am 33. I've had life experiences.
2. I DONT WORK in IT
3. Up until a year ago I worked in Retail.
4. I've climbed rocks in REAL LIFE
5. I've skied in Val-Dis-Ere in REAL LIFE
6. I'm a Rower
7. I am a Classical Realist Artist.
8. I HAVE NO, I repeat NO Gaming_Memorabilia plush toys
9. I like Reading sophisticated books like "Henry David Therou's" "Walden" and appreciate its old english.
10 I like OLD ENGLISH.
11. I like Reading Great Economics and Philisophy Texts of the 19th and 20th Centuries and High Level Econmics Books in general.
12. I DO NOT OWN a SINGLE POP_GEEK T-shirt, you know the ones I am talking about the ones with a creeper out of minecraft dueling with mario. Or a vintage Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Top or some kind of Sci-Fi ephermera.
13. I don't live a lame, predictable, nonspiritual, blind Bourgeoisy life; nor (at the other end of the spectrum) have I ever had a trade or done janitorial work.
14. I dont have a business, I'd like to one day though.
Thats a little about me to paint a picture of myself.
Glad I Got that out the way.

MOD IDEA

I'm been playing Terraria for a little over 3 years now. I've always wanted more "Economic" options in the game than the game has as default. Terraria is one of those games where there is enormous host of information to know about its mechanics, methods-of-play, variablility, what-mosters-can-do-and-when-and-how-thats-somehow-interesting... And then you'll have multiple other instances where you''ll have to do some other long winded, silly, arguably childish, cockamamy thing as the game goes of, on ever-the-more distracted
_!!STOP STARING OUT THE WINDOW!!_
tangents obligating extensive player Labour, half the labour IS NOT EVEN neccessary, because if real-world tools of capital, production, macro-economics, and finances could be applied to Terraria then it would all but be redundant ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE MODDED OUT..in order for me to keep playing. Basically if Real World Capitalism could be used in this game with computer controlled miners, you could rest a lot more and put your feet-up.

The game prerequisites a player with a low attention span mindset...
_!!STOP STARING OUT THE WINDOW!!_
Thing is, I like games that challenge a LONG ATTENTION SPAN, in the terms of strategy NOT fighting and shooting.

I've found, and still do find the aesthetics of the monsters/enemy/bogey-men/bosses[⧮] extremely "fatuous", I'm trying to be as diplomatic as possible. That is just my OPINION. Its not meant to imply that I am being critical of the game, just that I would like it DRASTICALLY MODDED But i like the aesthetics of the Environment (follow this legend --> [⧮]

There are numerous other things I want in this mod and would include in a MOD if I wrote one,
but I'm not going to list them here because you are already....
..staring_out_the_window_again...
The core things that I think are missing, and someone/or me needs to write a mod for are thus:

1.A game that rewards long attention spans (in the terms of strategy, NOT fighting or shooting)
2. Speculating on the buying and seeling of comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc) and assets to make a short term profit.
3 .Buying Resources from AI controlled NPC's to use yourself.
4. Buying labour, NEW AI controlled NPC''s to build things for you and paying the NPC's in whatever commodity they want to be paid in
5 .Geting employed by NEW AI controlled NPC's
6. Getting LOANS from AI NPC's in money and comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc)
7. Investing in hedge-funds,derivatives,bonds,stocks, mutual funds.
8. Buying ALL THE weapons from the dealer. If I am going to waste my life diggin up tons-and-tons of computer generated-crap I should be able to sell it for ALL the damn guns.

(I have tried MY HARDEST to make this post as short as possible, but i am trying a to describe my idea AND kind of introduce myself at the same time) Two-For-One Yay.
IF you got to the end of my post, go and have a cookie or something)

 

[Scarlet Hunter]

You are probably playing the wrong game for this.
Terraria is not an economic simulator, and it isn't designed this way. A mod of this caliber would actually just be a different game.

 

[SnailsAttack]

WHY do you use so many text adjustments?

1.A game that rewards long attention spans (in the terms of strategy, NOT fighting or shooting)

So... what's your suggestion?

2. Speculating on the buying and seeling of comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc) and assets to make a short term profit.

What? Do you mean that we should be able to sell dirt and stone, or that the game should work like some sort of stock market?

3 .Buying Resources from AI controlled NPC's to use yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean by "AI", but this is already a feature in terraria.

4. Buying labour, NEW AI controlled NPC''s to build things for you and paying the NPC's in whatever commodity they want to be paid in

Having NPCs build things for you would be incredibly hard to code. Also... why?

5 .Geting employed by NEW AI controlled NPC's

You mean quests?

6. Getting LOANS from AI NPC's in money and comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc)

How would getting loans work? This seems like an unnecessary way to overcomplicate the game.

7. Investing in hedge-funds,derivatives,bonds,stocks, mutual funds.

Ditto.

8. Buying ALL THE weapons from the dealer. If I am going to waste my life diggin up tons-and-tons of computer generated-crap I should be able to sell it for ALL the damn guns.

I... what?

I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to suggest because of how vague and poorly formatted this thread is.

 

[AdultGamer]

WHY do you use so many text adjustments?

To keep things P-h-r-e-sh, funkadelic-exciting, and engaging, for
slow illiterate text-speaking micro-attention span millenials, but maybe I realise
now, that I don't need to do that.

AdultGamer said: ↑
1.A game that rewards long attention spans (in the terms of strategy, NOT fighting or shooting)

SnailsAttack said: ↑
So... what's your suggestion?

AdultGamer replied: ↑
THIS MOD IDEA, i have been explaining.




AdultGamer said: ↑
2. Speculating on the buying and seeling of comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc) and assets to make a short term profit.

SnailsAttack said: ↑
What? Do you mean that we should be able to sell dirt and stone, or that the game should work like some sort of stock market?

AdultGamer replied: ↑
BOTH, off course!
I'm not sure whether you have ANY knowledge in Economics, so tell me
If I say something you don't understand/find confusing.

Specifically, in Terrarias case a comodities Market. Seeing as nearly everything in the game, that IS NOT Terrarias
meaningless devalued Crypto-Statist Fiat Currency,is a Comodity.
At one point, In Real-Life(?I think, I might be wrong here?) Comodities could be used as money
(as well as coins) they still might be if Hayek had his way.
I KNOW for a fact Bartering Predates money.

The best Part of allowing Speculation in Terraria is you could buy Comodities from NPC's
(Stuff NPC's dug-up-for you: Items/weapons/ores/blocks/crafted things etc) when Demand for it is low
and then sell the Comodities
(Stuff NPC's dug-up-for you: Items/weapons/ores/blocks/crafted things etc) when Demand for it is High.
(There is an Economics term(can't remember what it is) for how this Helps Markets.))

If demand where Low enough, you could keep half of what the NPC's dug-up for you and then Sold you,
and sell the rest Later and if you got REALLY lucky and Demand Skyrocketed, in that specific
Lucky-Scenario you would STILL might make a profit.
But.. then...off-course...The NPC's would only sell Comodities to you/the Markets
if it was in the NPC's "Rational-Self-Interest", as visa-versa the player would do also.
(Is that Ayn Rand's definition I am using? :-D , )

The NPC's may try the same trick buying
Comodities(Stuff the Player/other-NPC's dug-up: Items/weapons/ores/blocks/crafted things etc)
when Demand is low and sell the stuff back when Demand is high again.

Additionaly, In a comodities Market, Comodoties are often "Hedged" by other investments and other Liquid Assets,
so as to buffer the speculator from the potential losses particularly in the case involving
High-Risk, Low-yield, Investments.
I'm not sure if a Portfolio can be used in "Hedging" existing investments
(maybe someone could tell me) but then my knowledge doesn't extend that far.
But I DO HAVE SOME knowledge...

All this would enable Real_world economics In Terraria to allow the player
to use high amounts of optimisation of the time they spend playing the game
to get just right kind of Gain(s) from playing the game in the just right Quantities,
and in the best way in Time/Cost/Bennefit terms.
And Most importantly
IT WOULD MAKE THE GAME JUST PLAIN MORE FUN...


In light of this Terrarias Economy seems
prety bland(YA THINK!!), compared to what I have been describing.
And also that you can plainly see, in the Unmodded-Terraria Money was just put there for
a Laugh/cheesy-corny-useless-gimmick and basically pretty damn-useless,
and does SWEET F.A, apart from making a cory "ching" sound when you pick it up
because thats fun for Kids or something lame

AdultGamer said: ↑
3 .Buying Resources from AI controlled NPC's to use yourself.

I'm not sure what you mean by "AI", but this is already a feature in terraria.
AdultGamer replied: ↑

I talking about having the functionality of being able to buy ANY thing/comodity
that you dig out the game.

When you dig something out the ground in the game its a "Comodity"...
If you use that Comodity as barter to pay for NPC Labour it would become currency.
Barter and currency are interchangeable, the interchangeable difference is that
in order for a commodoity to become a currency (In the Real world) it needs to have



AdultGamer said: ↑
4. Buying labour, NEW AI controlled NPC''s to build things for you and paying the NPC's in whatever commodity they want to be paid in
SnailsAttack said: ↑
Having NPCs build things for you would be incredibly hard to code. Also... why?
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Because spending YOUR WHOLE LIFE digging up computer generate bricks
Sucks-Arse!!

AdultGamer said: ↑
5 .Geting employed by NEW AI controlled NPC's
SnailsAttack said: ↑
You mean quests?
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Noooooooo.
I mean if, the entrepreneuralism/True-Free-Market-Capitalism route isn't for you
you could get a Job in the game.
A worthwhile Virtual Terraria job.
Instead of the sucky one you have already in Terraria, of just mining Tons-and-Tons
of (Unuseable Stuff, that just sits in Boxes) and then getting beaten-up by Zombies/Cheesy-Cartoon-Santas/Animated-Blobs and
whatever Sega Genesis game developers didn't include in the games that ruined their
Careers.


AdultGamer said: ↑
6. Getting LOANS from AI NPC's in money and comodities(resources dirt,stone,gold, etc etc)
SnailsAttack said: ↑
How would getting loans work? This seems like an unnecessary way to overcomplicate the game.
AdultGamer replied: ↑

Nuh!-Nooooooo...what that would mean is you would be able to
have whatever Comoditiy(look back at my definition) you want Straight-Away and
"pay" for it back in whatver other Comodity-as-currency it's worth in
Daily-Installments with Interest.
Use it now, pay for it later
Kind of how a Loan works.

AdultGamer said: ↑
7. Investing in hedge-funds,derivatives,bonds,stocks, mutual funds.
SnailsAttack said: ↑
Ditto.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Not. Ditto.

FLEXIBILITY.
Using real world Economics to Play Terraria _AND_ALSO_ Have a life outside of Video games.
(Using the Examples I gave)

Real_World_Capitalist economics would let you have more-Things, MORE-QUICKLY in Terraria.
Instead of Terrarias current Economic model which may as well be Socialism.

AdultGamer said: ↑
8. Buying ALL THE weapons from the dealer. If I am going to waste my life diggin up tons-and-tons of computer generated-crap I should be able to sell it for ALL the damn guns.
SnailsAttack said: ↑
I... what?
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Like I am trying to Illustrate, again, using Real-World Economics
to get things.
More quickly.
For less Effort.
In Less Time.

NewsBreak!!
IN REAL LIFE A WAGE IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE MONEY,
despite what Local Government/Bosses/Politicians/Consumer-Banks will tell you..

SnailsAttack said: ↑
I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to suggest because of how vague and poorly formatted this thread is.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
It was a real task I set out to do for myself to begin with from the outset,
to explain the methods of wealth creation of Capitalists, to just about anyone,
when nearly everyone in the combined US and UK exclusively gets money from a Wage.

Capitalism is one of those things that nearly everyone criticizes,
but very few actually understand it.

But...I may not convince you..sadly the Voter/Socialist/Statist/Slave/Taxpayer mindset is so indoctrinate amongst nearly everyone who believes Voting, Paying-their-mortgage, Getting a wage, Getting on the F***ing gravy train for most of they're lives believing it will bring them happiness, that you may not be open to anything else.

 

[Izzabelle]

Would it be too much to ask that you write with adequate spelling, punctuation, and formatting instead of trying to appeal to some weird niche you made up? That way we don't have to use a decoder ring to uncover what you're suggesting and how you're responding?

That said; what I could gather from your responses/suggestion... no. I don't support this at all. For the following reasons...

1. This completely changes the game. It would literally be a different game in a different genre with these changes. You'd alienate and upset massive amounts of people who have already bought the game for the experience they have now and are currently enjoying. Not sure anyone who currently owns Terraria would enjoy seeing the game become some sort of glorified trading website with price tags on everything.

2. Not to mention -- I can't speak for the devs -- but I'm 100% certain that none of this falls anywhere close to their vision for what the game is intended to be.

3. Additionally, the workload for such changes would be MASSIVE. I'm not even entirely sure Re-Logic has a team capable of handling all the nuances that would go into a fully function economic game with ties to real currency and trading. They're talented, but the skill set for this kind of thing isn't there. They'd have to hire a team's worth of people just to code the thing.

4. Also, with ties to real world currency -- this has the potential of further endangering user's personal data a step removed from Steam. Even if users could opt out of the economic portion of the game; it's not the game they signed up for, and the risks aren't something they bought into. A responsible company would have to allow people to opt out of the game entirely -- meaning refunds.

5. Lastly the legality of all the interactions puts a ton of responsibility and pressure on Re-Logic. There's no reason they as a company would take on such a massive undertaking to convert their prize game into something that alienates their community so that they can take on a disproportionate amount of risk. It'd be absolutely mandatory for them to hire an entire legal and financial/accounting staff just to monitor the game, it's users, and activity and make sure everything is on the up and up around the globe.

Honestly -- considering the nature of your suggestion -- I'm partially convinced this is a joke suggestion. Because, no offense, but if I hated Terraria -- this is what I'd try to convince the devs of doing in order to kill the game. I only know a handful of games that do this with this sort of complexity and I know even less studios/devs that have the financial stability and adequate staff to attempt it. You're 100% barking up the wrong tree with something like this.

But... good luck I guess.

 

[Scarlet Hunter]

Whoa, I think you don't understand what we are saying here.

None of this (let me repeat: none of this) has literally anything to do with Terraria. You are trying to create a new game. That sounds fun, but it is not Terraria.

Terraria doesn't need capitalism. It is a game about killing monsters, digging up ores, and feeling awesome when you kill bosses. A virtual job? That has no place in this game.

 

[AdultGamer]

Izzabelle said: ↑
Would it be too much to ask that you write with adequate spelling, punctuation, and formatting instead of trying to appeal to some weird niche you made up? That way we don't have to use a decoder ring to uncover what you're suggesting and how you're responding?
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Its VERY DIFFICULT trying to explain this level of Econmics to people who most likely know nothing about economics what so ever, and get all the spelling, punctuation, and formatting right.
If you mean I am using too long sentances then you should read "walden", then compare it to my post. It might be an Eye-Opener for you, people didn't used to corrupt the english language by wrting out short sentances.
Read Walden. Its not Text-speak , i'll just warn you there, ahead of time. In case you read it and find the language in it Scary. Its one of the Oxford University Classics. Oxford is a Unviersity in case you didn't know.
Izzabelle said: ↑
1. This completely changes the game. It would literally be a different game in a different genre with these changes. You'd alienate and upset massive amounts of people who have already bought the game for the experience they have now and are currently enjoying. Not sure anyone who currently owns Terraria would enjoy seeing the game becomes some sort of glorified trading website with price tags on everything.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Yeaahh...
You know how a MOD, is User Created content. As in I post a modification that i made of the game, it gets loaded in the MOD folder, after someone had voluntarily downloaded it.
Unless it becomes a copy-right violation when, and only when, I make a mod, that
doesn't fit into the dull criterion that a mod needs to fit into you mean?
I'm proposing, User-created content. If someone didn't want to play the mod, they could
voluntarily choose not too. Because people have the Liberty to make they're own choices...??
Izzabelle said: ↑
2. Not to mention -- I can't speak for the devs -- but I'm 100% certain that none of this falls anywhere close to their vision for what the game is intended to be.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Yeeeaaaah? No Way? :-@ ....but-no, it would still be a user-created mod, which people can
Voluntarilly/ download/use if they so choose to.
MOD, mod, Mod, mOd..
Izzabelle said: ↑
3. Additionally, the workload for such changes would be MASSIVE. I'm not even entirely sure Re-Logic has a team capable of handling all the nuances that would go into a fully function economic game with ties to real currency and trading. They're talented, but the skill set for this kind of thing isn't there. They'd have to hire a team's worth of people just to code the thing.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Mod....User-Created-Content....READ-PLEASE...MOD
Izzabelle said: ↑
4. Also, with ties to real world currency -- this has the potential of further endangering user's personal data a step removed from Steam. Even if users could opt out of the economic portion of the game; it's not the game they signed up for, and the risks aren't something they bought into. A responsible company would have to allow people to opt out of the game entirely -- meaning refunds.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
At no point did I say that, no.
Its' User-Created content.
The money would be Virtual, I was refering to Virtual Money.
Virtual money that would be drastically better utitilized that Terrarias default Lame Cartoon Money. Its Virtual Money there is not Tie-In with steam account because the Money isn't real. The part where i was referring to real money I was MAKING A COMPARISON of Terrarias Economics, to Economics in Real life.
Maybe you shouldn't of Skim-Read it, and/or got bored and distracted by something out the window.
Terrarias money isn't real at the moment?? Were you even being serious?
I worry if you were.
Izzabelle said: ↑
5. Lastly the legality of all the interactions puts a ton of responsibility and pressure on Re-Logic. There's no reason they as a company would take on such a massive undertaking to convert their prize game into something that alienates their community so that they can take on a disproportionate amount of risk. It'd be absolutely mandatory for them to hire an entire legal and financial/accounting staff just to monitor the game, it's users, and activity and make sure everything is on the up and up around the globe.
AdultGamer replied: ↑
Its' User-Created content.
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Izzabelle said: ↑
Honestly -- considering the nature of your suggestion -- I'm partially convinced this is a joke suggestion. Because, no offense, but if I hated Terraria -- this is what I'd try to convince the devs of doing in order to kill the game. I only know a handful of games that do this with this sort of complexity and I know even less studios/devs that have the financial stability and adequate staff to attempt it. You're 100% barking up the wrong tree with something like this.
AdultGamer replied: ↑

 

[Scarlet Hunter]

The reason I find this funny is that you are acting like a petulant, 5-year-old child.

I don't think you are as smart as you seem to think you are.

 

[Izzabelle]

You'll have to forgive me for any misunderstandings as you are not (and still not) using any semblance of common formatting/writing. You may think it's great that you can communicate in some outdated/uncommon format -- but all it does here is make it difficult to understand you. I mean. How would you feel if I started speaking to you in Cherokee and formatted my posts accordingly? Might make me feel good to speak Cherokee -- but I couldn't possibly blame you for not understanding me.

As for your suggestion being mod-based, even with virtual money -- I doubt you'd find someone who'd want to do this to Terraria, let alone have the skill set and resources to do it. You might be better off starting the mod on your own.

Also... I'm not even sure if this is the right place for this thread if we're talking about a possible mod. The devs don't make "mods" so it doesn't really belong in suggestions. But there doesn't seem to be a mod request forum that I could find immediately either.

 

[Matsu]

Things are looking a little heated here, so going to drop down a small verbal guys. Remember to keep things civil, debate the idea, and never point out things about the people you are debating with.

Case and point:

What?

If anymore images like this get floated out and/or anyone else gets called stupid there will be more serious consequences than a verbal warning.

 

[AdultGamer]

You'll have to forgive me for any misunderstandings as you are not (and still not) using any semblance of common formatting/writing. You may think it's great that you can communicate in some outdated/uncommon format -- but all it does here is make it difficult to understand you. I mean. How would you feel if I started speaking to you in Cherokee and formatted my posts accordingly? Might make me feel good to speak Cherokee -- but I couldn't possibly blame you for not understanding me.

As for your suggestion being mod-based, even with virtual money -- I doubt you'd find someone who'd want to do this to Terraria, let alone have the skill set and resources to do it. You might be better off starting the mod on your own.

Also... I'm not even sure if this is the right place for this thread if we're talking about a possible mod. The devs don't make "mods" so it doesn't really belong in suggestions. But there doesn't seem to be a mod request forum that I could find immediately either.

I am 33. I grew up in the culture of the 90'sm back when the majority of the people who used Computers/Internet; were mostly academics who knew how to type out eloquent, clever and articulate passages of text on a Computer. Sometimes about scientific concepts, sometimes mathematical concepts, sometimes maybe about political science.
When I was 17 all my classmates had the Nokia 33/10 phone, not this touch-screen whizzamagig kids have today
The Internet was at one point, exclusively the domain of University Students/academics.
Then Came:
Rich people getting Internet
College campus students get internet(In America)
Home 56K (In America)
AOL
The Eternal September.
(I'm going to assume no one here has heard of "The Eternal September") ;-D
Home 56K (In England)
Poor people getting Internet
Small Tech/Community Colleges getting high speed Internet.
Home-Broadband (In England)
Smart-Phones
F**K-wits on Twitter & Facebook.
F**K-wits on Smart-Phones, on Twitter & Facebook.

Now any Illiterate Prole can pick up a smart-phone and type out useless garbage-content in mangled-English shorthand on Facebook or Twitter telling there mates which pubs they can "_#Get a wazzo-load of Lager in_" from.

People used to use the full, original, uncorrupted version of English on the Internet
And i blame Web 2.0

The Eye Of Horus, If your post signature is any indication then I'd say you were aged somewhere between 15-22 is that correct?

You see the "Dubstep Cannon" is a Big give away, no self-respecting person older than 22 listens to Tween-wave Dubstep music,
sorry Matsu but I found it necessary to point out the obvious Irony there.

So much has changed, and it would be really comforting to know whether I am the Oldest here.

 

[Scarlet Hunter]

Any more posting here would only lead to you digging your own hole deeper.
As such, this will be my last post on this thread. Also, the Dubstep Cannon thing is a little thing called humor - though I am not sure you would understand it, being so sophisticated and all.

Well, that's that. I shall be off now.

 

[Matsu]

I am 33. I grew up in the culture of the 90'sm back when the majority of the people who used Computers/Internet; were mostly academics who knew how to type out eloquent, clever and articulate passages of text on a Computer. Sometimes about scientific concepts, sometimes mathematical concepts, sometimes maybe about political science.
When I was 17 all my classmates had the Nokia 33/10 phone, not this touch-screen whizzamagig kids have today
The Internet was at one point, exclusively the domain of University Students/academics.
Then Came:
Rich people getting Internet
College campus students get internet(In America)
Home 56K (In America)
AOL
The Eternal September.
(I'm going to assume no one here has heard of "The Eternal September") ;-D
Home 56K (In England)
Poor people getting Internet
Small Tech/Community Colleges getting high speed Internet.
Home-Broadband (In England)
Smart-Phones
F**K-wits on Twitter & Facebook.
F**K-wits on Smart-Phones, on Twitter & Facebook.

Now any Illiterate Prole can pick up a smart-phone and type out useless garbage-content in mangled-English shorthand on Facebook or Twitter telling there mates which pubs they can "_#Get a wazzo-load of Lager in_" from.

People used to use the full, original, uncorrupted version of English on the Internet
And i blame Web 2.0

The Eye Of Horus, If your post signature is any indication then I'd say you were aged somewhere between 15-22 is that correct?

You see the "Dubstep Cannon" is a Big give away, no self-respecting person older than 22 listens to Tween-wave Dubstep music,
sorry Matsu but I found it necessary to point out the obvious Irony there.

So much has changed, and it would be really comforting to know whether I am the Oldest here.

As you seem to have ignored my previous warning to stop picking out things about the people posting and have instead posted a rather lengthy rant that has next to nothing to do with the topic this thread will be locked.

If you wish to discuss this further feel free to PM me or any other staff member(s) you see fit.