Blaine
Skeletron
"Cheesing" is the act of fighting a boss while wearing any armor or accessories, using a weapon other than a shoddy copper shortsword.
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"Cheesing" is the act of fighting a boss while wearing any armor or accessories, using a weapon other than a shoddy copper shortsword.
Krizz
Terrarian
Ah yes, of course! I knew that ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)"Cheesing" is the act of fighting a boss while wearing any armor or accessories, using a weapon other than a shoddy copper shortsword.
Soulstiger
Skeletron
"Cheesing" itself isn't bad. It's just the one of the big buzz words recently. The problems happen when mechanic exploits happen. Though, even then it only really becomes a problem if the developers take issue with it.
I'll give two examples of "cheesing."
The first one is an example of what I'd consider an ingenious use of mechanics.
http://forums.terraria.org/index.ph...farm-4-5-planteras-per-hour.8942/#post-256726
The second one not so much. He says it himself in the video, "it's really really simple."
I'll give two examples of "cheesing."
The first one is an example of what I'd consider an ingenious use of mechanics.
http://forums.terraria.org/index.ph...farm-4-5-planteras-per-hour.8942/#post-256726
The second one not so much. He says it himself in the video, "it's really really simple."
Blaine
Skeletron
Sadly, recent trap nerfs have broken a number of DicemanX's and Zerogravitas' farms. That just means new designs will have to be devised. It's an exciting time! I always build my own farms and contraptions, but I've used some of their ideas.
Speaking of farm and arena nerfs, my personal theory is that the Skeleton Merchant was added specifically to nerf farms. If you build a farm underground or in the cavern layer in 1.3, you'll quickly notice that he spawns constantly and prevents enemy spawns in a wide area. It's impossible to get rid of him without a nice trap setup.
Fortunately, I've done a great deal of Lihzahrd Temple raiding over the years and have a massive collection of traps, as well as the wiring know-how to create solid unending walls of darts and so on.
In 1.3.0.7, no doubt the Skeleton Merchant will be made immune to traps.
Speaking of farm and arena nerfs, my personal theory is that the Skeleton Merchant was added specifically to nerf farms. If you build a farm underground or in the cavern layer in 1.3, you'll quickly notice that he spawns constantly and prevents enemy spawns in a wide area. It's impossible to get rid of him without a nice trap setup.
Fortunately, I've done a great deal of Lihzahrd Temple raiding over the years and have a massive collection of traps, as well as the wiring know-how to create solid unending walls of darts and so on.
In 1.3.0.7, no doubt the Skeleton Merchant will be made immune to traps.
LaurenJoanna
Steampunker
I want to say here that I am really impressed with the amount of patches since the update. Most other games I play don't patch their bugs for weeks and would never have such frequent hotfixes, and those are games that require monthly membership not just a one-time payment.
This is my favourite game and seeing how much the developers care about it makes me smile. I've been looking forward to 1.3 all year and I am not disappointed.
I don't think this will be changed as vanity slots are probably not intended as a space saver, but I was using it like this too, so I agree but don't see it happeningCould you please add an option to hide accesories in vanity slots?
I'm usually wearing my Celestial Shell in vanity slot to save space and switch to it whenever I need. But I don't want to look like a werewolf just because of that
Attribule
Steampunker
Except they aren't changing "game nature". Pretty sure the game is still like it always has been. Just because a tweak or adjustment is made doesn't mean the core of the game is being changed in any way. They've made many similar changes throughout Terraria's development, and heck, if I remember correctly potions didn't even used to have cooldowns back in the day. Tweaking something for a bit more challenge =/= changing "game nature". Potions still heal you, you just can't spam them to effectively become unkillable anymore, for example.
Even when it comes to Moon Lord, they won't rule out all possible means to beat him except a few. They're just trying to get rid of the blatantly obvious, unintended exploits. Like I said in a previous post of mine: Moon Lord has never truly been buffed. Any legit way to beat him still exists and still works.
Because the spikes weren't even supposed to work that way. It's the same reason why fire blocks were changed to deal massive amounts of damage over time. People weren't intended to just ignore boss damage like that. And it doesn't matter when something changes - the fire blocks weren't changed until some time later as well. The point is that if something is blatantly not working the way it's intended it can potentially be changed at some point down the road.
Mille Marteaux
Empress of Light
Nah. Boney leaves after a while if he's not on screen. If he does come on-screen though.. better be ready to dunk him into water.
Krizz
Terrarian
So it's pretty much exploiting game mechanics?
GamReCatOld
Terrarian
yeah i thought it was strange when I started drowning on the cieling...not enough oxygen up there I guess
Soulstiger
Skeletron
Sort of. I don't think it has any one true meaning. Pretty much you can label anything you see as being odd/funny/unintended/game breaking/mechanic abusing as cheesy. It isn't a very good term
Krizz
Terrarian
Got it, thanks mate.Sort of. I don't think it has any one true meaning. Pretty much you can label anything you see as being odd/funny/unintended/game breaking/mechanic abusing as cheesy. It isn't a very good term
Hie the Badger
The Destroyer
Then I'm sure I will see this fix throughout the entire game and not just bosses?
AmenPerson
Terrarian
I love the fact that werewolf form and merfolk form can be hidden~ Yaaaaaaaay.
Blaine
Skeletron
@Krizz
@Soulstiger
A useful distinction can be made between cheesing, exploiting, and outright cheating, although the lines are always blurry.
Cheesy tactics use game mechanics in the way they were intended to be used, but clearly create a situation in which a boss fight (or farming, etc.) is very easy. A good example of cheesiness is my Expert Moon Lord farm:
All I really have to do is hold down the D key and LMB to farm Moon Lord with this setup. Note that Heart Statues were nerfed in 1.3 so that they can't produce six hearts simultaneously from six separate wire connections; they will only produce one each, no matter what. I've found 16 Heart Statues in my many hours of playing Terraria, so I'm able to thumb my nose at the new limitation. Despite how cheesy this farm is, the statues aren't being used in unintentional ways. Also, this isn't an ingenious setup by any means.
Exploiting tactics involve taking advantage of an unintentional glitch, flaw, or loophole in the game mechanics. Spike invulnerability, slime invulnerability, lava invulnerability, even hoiking and the old platform elevators are all examples of exploiting. They weren't intended by the developers and it's sensible that Re-Logic is trying (with mixed success) to eliminate these methods.
However, exploits are still often lumped in with cheesing, and indeed the line can be very blurry.
Cheating is when out-of-game, third-party methods are used to alter the game in a way favorable to the player, such as by duping world or character files (the simplest form of cheating, available to everyone), use of inventory editors, mods that confer an unfair or extraordinary advantage of some kind (wall hacks, etc.), and so on.
@Soulstiger
A useful distinction can be made between cheesing, exploiting, and outright cheating, although the lines are always blurry.
Cheesy tactics use game mechanics in the way they were intended to be used, but clearly create a situation in which a boss fight (or farming, etc.) is very easy. A good example of cheesiness is my Expert Moon Lord farm:
All I really have to do is hold down the D key and LMB to farm Moon Lord with this setup. Note that Heart Statues were nerfed in 1.3 so that they can't produce six hearts simultaneously from six separate wire connections; they will only produce one each, no matter what. I've found 16 Heart Statues in my many hours of playing Terraria, so I'm able to thumb my nose at the new limitation. Despite how cheesy this farm is, the statues aren't being used in unintentional ways. Also, this isn't an ingenious setup by any means.
Exploiting tactics involve taking advantage of an unintentional glitch, flaw, or loophole in the game mechanics. Spike invulnerability, slime invulnerability, lava invulnerability, even hoiking and the old platform elevators are all examples of exploiting. They weren't intended by the developers and it's sensible that Re-Logic is trying (with mixed success) to eliminate these methods.
However, exploits are still often lumped in with cheesing, and indeed the line can be very blurry.
Cheating is when out-of-game, third-party methods are used to alter the game in a way favorable to the player, such as by duping world or character files (the simplest form of cheating, available to everyone), use of inventory editors, mods that confer an unfair or extraordinary advantage of some kind (wall hacks, etc.), and so on.
Omnir
The Destroyer
@Krizz
@Soulstiger
A useful distinction can be made between cheesing, exploiting, and outright cheating, although the lines are always blurry.
Cheesy tactics use game mechanics in the way they were intended to be used, but clearly create a situation in which a boss fight (or farming, etc.) is very easy. A good example of cheesiness is my Expert Moon Lord farm:
All I really have to do is hold down the D key and LMB to farm Moon Lord with this setup. Note that Heart Statues were nerfed in 1.3 so that they can't produce six hearts simultaneously from six separate wire connections; they will only produce one each, no matter what. I've found 16 Heart Statues in my many hours of playing Terraria, so I'm able to thumb my nose at the new limitation. Despite how cheesy this farm is, the statues aren't being used in unintentional ways. Also, this isn't an ingenious setup by any means.
Exploiting tactics involve taking advantage of an unintentional glitch, flaw, or loophole in the game mechanics. Spike invulnerability, slime invulnerability, lava invulnerability, even hoiking and the old platform elevators are all examples of exploiting. They weren't intended by the developers and it's sensible that Re-Logic is trying (with mixed success) to eliminate these methods.
However, exploits are still often lumped in with cheesing, and indeed the line can be very blurry.
Cheating is when out-of-game, third-party methods are used to alter the game in a way favorable to the player, such as by duping world or character files (the simplest form of cheating, available to everyone), use of inventory editors, mods that confer an unfair or extraordinary advantage of some kind (wall hacks, etc.), and so on.
I personally wouldn't nerf that. It's is all meant to work in that way
Krizz
Terrarian
Eh, I've never really been the type of person to make farms like that, so I've never made a farm before, but I get what you're saying.@Krizz
@Soulstiger
A useful distinction can be made between cheesing, exploiting, and outright cheating, although the lines are always blurry.
Cheesy tactics use game mechanics in the way they were intended to be used, but clearly create a situation in which a boss fight (or farming, etc.) is very easy. A good example of cheesiness is my Expert Moon Lord farm:
All I really have to do is hold down the D key and LMB to farm Moon Lord with this setup. Note that Heart Statues were nerfed in 1.3 so that they can't produce six hearts simultaneously from six separate wire connections; they will only produce one each, no matter what. I've found 16 Heart Statues in my many hours of playing Terraria, so I'm able to thumb my nose at the new limitation. Despite how cheesy this farm is, the statues aren't being used in unintentional ways. Also, this isn't an ingenious setup by any means.
Exploiting tactics involve taking advantage of an unintentional glitch, flaw, or loophole in the game mechanics. Spike invulnerability, slime invulnerability, lava invulnerability, even hoiking and the old platform elevators are all examples of exploiting. They weren't intended by the developers and it's sensible that Re-Logic is trying (with mixed success) to eliminate these methods.
However, exploits are still often lumped in with cheesing, and indeed the line can be very blurry.
Cheating is when out-of-game, third-party methods are used to alter the game in a way favorable to the player, such as by duping world or character files (the simplest form of cheating, available to everyone), use of inventory editors, mods that confer an unfair or extraordinary advantage of some kind (wall hacks, etc.), and so on.
To be completely honest, I wouldn't call the first one "cheesing" at all.While it is AFK, I could argue you could probably take the time to kill over 100 Planteras instead of building that. Many people would argue that doing that, especially after you have beaten the boss several times, is fair game.
Ktulu318
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Falling Tide
Pixel Pirate
I am not exactly sure about the platform elevators being an exploit.
And if you want to argue that they are, They were a useful one that didn't hurt anything...
I loved it, when I got it finished woosh up to my next floor I went.
I really don't want to label this as an exploit. And if that's a case, then a lot of things in ALL GAMES are exploits, because people use them as they were not meant to be used.
2 Examples;
the Halo 3 map editor with the ability to merge items together (when set on different spawns.)
Using a door in Terraria with a grappling hook on it, launches you forward I am sure that wasn't intended.
Its up to the Devs to say what is "Fixable" in the end but was that really one of the ones that needed to be?
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