Jamm__
Terrarian
Well alot of the high dps ranged guns and bows are single target in earlier stages of the game, and they dont have a lot of crowd control options in prehm other than beenades, which are op.
Game Mechanics Do you guys think that summoner is viable after 1.4.1?
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Dapling
Duke Fishron
Jesters arrows have infinite piercing, Grenades deal ridiculous damage for prehardmode, and star cannon just exists.
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
extra tru
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
lol star cannon
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
star cannon 1.4 stars are ez to get now
and the dps is L A R G E
and the dps is L A R G E
Jamm__
Terrarian
are they craftable now or is it just a better rate?
whoneedsnamestbh
Retinazer
Although it has plenty of stuff to deal with crowds, I’d argue its crowd control game is generally weaker than the others. Melee is basically built for crowd control and is one of the class’s redeeming traits, Summoner’s whips naturally cut through crowds, and Mage is full of ridiculous weapons like Water Bolt, Razorblade Typhoon, etc. in each stage. Meanwhile Jester Arrows only work with single target bows and have diminishing effects, Eventide pierces only five times, etc. and you usually don’t want to be wasteful on ammo for the generally longer invasions.
It hardly mafters though because Ranged is so strong anyway that having slightly (emphasis on slightly) weaker crowd control makes a nonexistant difference.
It hardly mafters though because Ranged is so strong anyway that having slightly (emphasis on slightly) weaker crowd control makes a nonexistant difference.
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
Its a better rate, by a l o t not even kidding, you can get a LOT of stars in a night, specially with meteor shower nights
Dapling
Duke Fishron
It's a better rate, also meteor showers sometimes happen which makes even more of them drop.
whoneedsnamestbh
Retinazer
Going completely off topic, but being able to get 30 pieces of high tier bait (Enchanted Nightcrawlers) during meteor showers is one of my favorite smaller 1.4 features
Jamm__
Terrarian
I had no idea that existed and just got confused when there were enchanted nightcrawlers on the ground
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
yea
Ranged class isn't very weak with crowds, consideing that infinite pirecing and MASSIVE dps, also range class sets can cause projectile hell
Jamm__
Terrarian
I think that melee is like the younger brother of ranged thats worse in every way, hes a jack of all trades master of non instead of master of all, but in multiplayer melee is a really good face tank that allows the classes that deal damage to breathe.
whoneedsnamestbh
Retinazer
I didn’t say it was weak with crowds, it’s still very good. I just said it wasn’t the best at them, relatively speaking, because they are more likely to be wielding single target focused weapons and many of the crowd control either have diminishing damage or are hard to sustain. It’s still perfectly capable for crowds.
SuperSkeletonboi
Skeletron
(well, i guess Its only me whos post moonlord and still with a bunch of multishot bows, including pre mech ones lol)
Shady Glasses
Steampunker
I think the definitive way to think about it is with the hardest the game can be. that means ftw at master mode. It really isn't viable at all, since it lacks in both damage, defense and range compared to every other class.
Dapling
Duke Fishron
Summoner can actually outdps ranger sometimes so that's not true at all. It only lacked damage before 1.4. Blade Staff is ridiculously strong, Terraprisma is ridiculously strong, Sanguine Staff basically completely protects you from non-boss enemies, Firecracker can literally be used until endgame and triples the damage of summons which already hit ridiculously hard like Desert Tiger and Stardust Dragon, and Vampire Frog + Spinal Tap actually can kill wof ridiculously quickly. Range is the only significant weakness it has and with a high enough skill level that can be completely ignored.
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Xurkitree1
Terrarian
Summoner has been slowly buffed from being an 'extra hard challenge run' to 'a hardmode run with lots of grinding' to 'i can't believe its not butter!(tm)'
Summoner progression is basically buttery smooth at this point compared to 1.4.0.5. Rather than struggling hard with grinding Snapthorn with Finch staff or Blade Staff farms in hallow or Terraprisma grind, you can pretty handily breeze through most of the game now. The only spikes in difficulty that remain are Queen Slime and pre-boss, but pre-boss grinding isn't in the jungle anymore, but in the snow, which is a massive difference. The only real grind that exists is the Pumpkin moon, Necromantic Scroll drop rates are really BS and you need multiple events to create Spooky Armor. They need to make Mourning Wood appear in all the waves. Ended up skipping Necromantic Scroll for 1.4.1 and went for Pygmy Necklace/Hercules Beetle for endgame.
Summoner progression is basically buttery smooth at this point compared to 1.4.0.5. Rather than struggling hard with grinding Snapthorn with Finch staff or Blade Staff farms in hallow or Terraprisma grind, you can pretty handily breeze through most of the game now. The only spikes in difficulty that remain are Queen Slime and pre-boss, but pre-boss grinding isn't in the jungle anymore, but in the snow, which is a massive difference. The only real grind that exists is the Pumpkin moon, Necromantic Scroll drop rates are really BS and you need multiple events to create Spooky Armor. They need to make Mourning Wood appear in all the waves. Ended up skipping Necromantic Scroll for 1.4.1 and went for Pygmy Necklace/Hercules Beetle for endgame.