Official Announcement regarding changes to conversations (private messages)

[Im_ConfuzzledCobalt🥐🌳🐿]

man this update hit my game dev group, HHH, REAL FLIPPIN HARD.
first we had to move to discord, but then my school blocked it, and now guess what

 

[Esther]

man this update hit my game dev group, HHH, REAL FLIPPIN HARD.
first we had to move to discord, but then my school blocked it, and now guess what
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Sneksarecute over there has the perfect reaction to the situation, ouch...
I could probably beat you in single-person communication if I got into my Roblox account to pick up a friend request-

 

[Someone that needs help]

Has this update done anything good for the forums so far?

 

[Im_ConfuzzledCobalt🥐🌳🐿]

no

 

[Unit One]

Has this update done anything good for the forums so far?

I know that it may still sting, and I’m sorry if the abrupt nature of the change added to that. I truly do apologize if the rollout wasn’t executed as well as could be - personally I had concerns if we gave a notice of the change then there would be tons of new convos made with extra recipients while the limit was still 16. If I could go back in time and give a week or two notice first, I would, and I apologize for that. The change would still absolutely be needed though. I regret if anyone felt snubbed or slighted by the sudden announcement, and it’s something that I’ll learn from for the future.

But I want to try and answer this as genuinely as possible. Yes, the change has done good, as it’s made it so these forums aren’t being used as an unmoderated private chat program anymore. We may have to agree to disagree on whether the change was needed, and I don’t want to reactivate or dredge up any futile discussions in which we start going in circles again, so I’ll leave it at that, but although I do still firmly stand by everything I said in my first post on why these changes were needed, I wanted to take the opportunity to apologize for the execution, insofar as the lack of a notification period.

 

[Ivyss]

I still don't feel right about the comparison that was used for this.
A speed limit? No, that would be something like making it so you can only post a certain amount per day or something like that, this is more like putting a roadblock after a specific point in the road, and the speed limit comparison doesn't really work even for what I described, because a speed limit doesn't enforce itself.

As for the change itself, no point trying to argue with you about it, only thing you'll even consider is if Relogic directly tells you to change something about it.

 

[Orchamut]

It's like a speed limit but if the collective speeds of everyone else on the road counted, and instead of current speed, it counts distance traveled, so it's essentially a collective distance limit which in retrospect is entirely different.

 

[Jessica Hyde [CiM]🌳]

It's like a speed limit but if the collective speeds of everyone else on the road counted, and instead of current speed, it counts distance traveled, so it's essentially a collective distance limit which in retrospect is entirely different.

Except speed limits where a good idea

 

[Im_ConfuzzledCobalt🥐🌳🐿]

I still feel like moderating them is better

 

[kirbo21]

I still feel like moderating them is better

considering my own experiences with scratch and dreams (that one ps4 game), most moderators will do anything they can to not actually have to moderate it themselves

it's either this or a bot

 

[Depressed 0wl]

I still feel like moderating them is better

And how does that fix people using them like a private chat, which was the main reason this change was implemented in the first place.

I still don't feel right about the comparison that was used for this.

I feel like your missing the point of the comparison.

If a road did not have speed limit signs and then some were added because some cars were going above the limit, is it a punishment?

That is the clearest example I can think of. Limitations are indeed often part of punishment but they are not one in the same, context is the defining aspect.
It would be a punishment if we gave warnings, probations or individual limits to those we believed to be abusing the system.

 

[Ivyss]

I feel like your missing the point of the comparison.

No, it was an inaccurate comparison. I provided and accurate one.

 

[SilkyVol2]

Is this 'Criminal Underworld' an exponentially expanding ring?

A character limit feels like throwing a damp cloth on a fire if so, it can be circumvented by just starting another conversation. A character limit doesn't moderate what is said in these threads either.

Otherwise, a conversation in breach of what the forums are intended for could be policed within reach of staff, a blanket ban on a certain number of words disproportionately affects those following the rules, there aren't so many of these rule breakers compared to those who follow them

 

[StrawberryStealer]

A character limit feels like throwing a damp cloth on a fire if so, it can be circumvented by just starting another conversation. A character limit doesn't moderate what is said in these threads either.

there already is a character limit, it's 400k characters last i checked
it may just be for making sure someone doesn't break the forums with really big text walls but it still exists

 

[Glasia 🌳]

unmoderated private chat program

You can still report PMs if someone spams you or writes to you the N word etc...

 

[StrawberryStealer]

You can still report PMs if someone spams you or writes to you the N word etc...

doesn't change the fact that mods can't see into PMs. even if you do report the person, you need to send the mod a screenshot of what they did for them to get an official warning

 

[Glasia 🌳]

doesn't change the fact that mods can't see into PMs. even if you do report the person, you need to send the mod a screenshot of what they did for them to get an official warning

I assume the report contains things such as "Message text: ..." before the report text or you could spam report pms and frame users with photoshopping images

 

[StrawberryStealer]

I assume the report contains things such as "Message text: ..." before the report text or you could spam report pms and frame users with photoshopping images

worst comes to worst you'd just have to add the mod to the gc but pretty much no one has a grudge THAT BAD that they would photoshop a fake post just to get a person warned

 

[Im_ConfuzzledCobalt🥐🌳🐿]

have you perhaps met erisha

 

[StrawberryStealer]

have you perhaps met erisha

i have and it didn't seem to me like they have any form of a grudge against most of us