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TCF Reusing old image urls?

Discussion in 'Forum Help & Feedback' started by darthmorf, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. darthmorf

    darthmorf Party Girl

    So, I was going through the old CC ports from TO thread (https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/creation-compendiums-1-18-ported-over.1621/), and I encountered what I believe to be a strange bug.

    What appears to be happening is that old images are being replaced by more recent ones. Two examples I've found being:
    [​IMG] upload_2017-6-2_22-42-14.png

    The first is from Creation Compendium #8, the second #7. The yoyo one is clearly a screenshot of the 'Sick Throw - obtain the Terrarian' steam achievement, which was not a thing when the original CC was posted, nor when I ported it over from TO. The second seems to be of a thread on TCF which again did not exist at the time the CC was posted. Neither seem like the sort of thing that would be entered into the CC either. Strange huh?
    There are probably more that I haven't got to further down in the thread.

    I know that these are some of the earliest images uploaded to TCF, as the thread they are part of was posted on September 29th 2014 - just after TCF launched.

    I have three theories as to what the cause is:

    1. TCF has somehow (accidentally or on purpose) started to reuse space previously housing older images as space for newer ones.
    2. The image's urls pointed to Terraria Online (which now redirects here) and somehow pointed to images already posted here. (I think this is the most likely)
    3. We're being trolled by time travellers.
    Anyone else got any thoughts?
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  2. darthmorf

    darthmorf Party Girl

    More instances:
    (will update)
    upload_2017-6-2_23-7-47.png upload_2017-6-2_23-18-18.png upload_2017-6-2_23-18-32.png
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2017
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  3. Tunnel King

    Tunnel King Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Because Kane. :p

    Any links from TO are no longer valid. That's been known for quite some time.

    Unless the old images were recovered and re-hosted (on TCF or elsewhere) well before TO closed, they are likely gone. Even before the closure of TO was announced, there was some "event" initiated by Curse that moved all the posts to a "new" server but that neglected to move any of the attached images. Re-Logic/TCF had nothing to do with that. The remnants of the moderation staff there (me) were not informed of this before it happened. One day the images were there; the next day, they were gone without explanation or apology.

    You might be able to recover something from The Wayback Machine. Beyond that, there's nothing much we can do about that.
  4. Tunnel King

    Tunnel King Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    The short explanation of why different images show up is in how Xenforo works.

    Each attachment is assigned a one-up number, which you see as part of the URL. TCF has attachments that match the same one-up number. Since 'terrariaonline.com' now redirects to 'forums.terraria.org', XF just uses the same attachment numbers and substitutes the corresponding image by number.
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  5. DerkL

    DerkL Terrarian

    Thank you guys for teaching me stuff. Very educational game, much wow.
  6. neoselket

    neoselket Ice Queen

    I hope this never gets fixed, it can be very amusing.:p
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  7. Tunnel King

    Tunnel King Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    There's no fixing it, at least from what I can gather. The old TO image references are just gone.

    I think @Eli10293 once discovered one of his TCF-posted sprites in the signature of a defunct user account, which actually was intended to be a mod support banner.

    It's not so amusing if some of the old CC entries that were thought to be archived turn out to be lost. I gather that is what darthmorf was looking for.

    eta: for example, https://web.archive.org/web/2012022...s/creation-compendium-medieval-castles.79944/

    The images here are just gone. A move from one internal server to another by Curse personnel was apparently not done correctly, so much of the image attachments forum-wide were lost. By the time this was noticed, it was too late to do anything about it (or so we were told by people who had no interest in helping us).
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2017
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  8. Eli10293

    Eli10293 Spazmatism

    Loads of instances of when this occurs can be found on old random suggestions such as https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/post-mech-hell-expansion.830/
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  9. darthmorf

    darthmorf Party Girl

    Alright, it seems my second theory was somewhat correct. I must say, this confused me greatly when I first stumbled upon it!
    Most of the CC entries are hosted on sites like imgur so are still working, so it doesn't matter too much. I was attempting to use waybackmachine last night but the servers seemed to be under a lot of strain and were taking a while to load.
    Thanks for the response.
  10. Granger

    Granger Terrarian

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  11. ppowersteef

    ppowersteef Paladin

    Yeah, I've encountered this before when I was browsing through my old posts on my art thread...Also the same weird shenanigans happened.

    As example, the image in the spoiler below appears to be my old thumbnail link to my art thread:
    And this still appears on @Devinox signature...<.<


    I think that's pretty much the only one I've encountered at the moment, but it's good to know that this has been addressed before.
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  12. darthmorf

    darthmorf Party Girl

    It's only an issue with old image posts from the Terraria Online era - recent threads shouldn't have to worry about it.