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Discussion in 'Introductions' started by Hallowzone, Dec 16, 2017.

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Do you agree with my argument, or do you like the new inventory menu?

  1. No, I don’t like the new menuz

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  2. Yes, I love the new menu.

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  1. Hallowzone

    Hallowzone Terrarian

    Hello there! I’m Hallowzone and I’ve played Terraria since it’s release. I’ve only decided to make an account on here after I heard about the update. I have Terraria on my phone, PC, PS4, and Xbox. I enjoy playing it as you get a different experience every game and it’s just an absolutely huge game. The only thing I have a problem with is the 1.3 update on console. Don’t get me wrong, I love where they are going with the update. I play on PC constantly. But they shouldn’t have made it so much like the PC. They got rid of the sort of menu on the console where you go back and forth between things such as your inventory and equipment and such. The current menu makes crafting much harder, the inventory smaller (and I mean the actual inventory is shrunk, I still have the same amount of item slots obviously), and it’s hard to see anything. The setup it has now is good for the PC, since with a mouse you can just click away at the thing you need, but if they’re gonna have the same thing where you swap between inventory, crafting, and equips, why make it smaller and harder to read? They should have left that alone. Also what is up with that control scheme? Who in gods name would play with that stupid control scheme?
     
  2. Hallowzone

    Hallowzone Terrarian

    Forgot to mention how hard I grinded for full dragon armor a couple days ago, and the update made the armor vanity. So I grinded for nothing because I crafted an ugly, useless piece of trash. They mentioned compensation for lost or converted items but I have nothing new in my inventory. My inventory isn’t full, so there is room for something in it. I think after making the best melee based armor in the game, before 1.3 obviously, they should atleast give me something I could use after taking it from me. If my compensation was an ugly vanity suit I’m going to kms. Is there a way to downgrade Terraria on PS4?
     
  3. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    Seriously?

    Overdramatic, much?

    Anyways, I had to comment on that before going any further with anything else. With that said...

    Welcome to the forums!

    I imagine a lot of new console 1.3 players who haven't played the PC version are lurking about and I've been meaning to get on to try to help people transition, but at any rate...

    If you want good Melee Armor, then I suggest going the Turtle->Beetle Route. I highly doubt Dragon Armor was better than Turtle or Beetle Armor, and if it was it couldn't have been by much. The PC never had Dragon Armor, and the progression felt smooth and even, from Beetle straight to Solar. So my suggestion to you, is to get some Turtle Armor somehow and then upgrade it to Beetle (IMO, I'd take the tank armor -- the damage reduction is insane) and eventually, go knock off the Moon Lord when you've enough and get yourself that sweet Solar.

    You'll forget Dragon Armor ever existed once you wear that awesome suit of orange glowing armor.
     
  4. Lord Garak

    Lord Garak Retinazer

    Dragon Armor was actually an extremely valid choice, I haven't played console for years but if I remember correctly it had similar defense to turtle and far more dramatic damage and speed buffs. It was a really interesting alternate choice and I think it's a shame they didn't just try to reincorporate it into the game somehow, as they should have done with most of these exclusives they've decided to remove on hypocritical grounds.

    Dragon Armor was also definitely the most stylish spritework when it came to armor. I'm not at all a fan of the celestial appearance.
     
  5. Hallowzone

    Hallowzone Terrarian

    Actually, dragon armor was better than turtle armor by a longshot. I played PC longer than I have console, but since my PC is temporarily broken, I’ve been playing console. I actually upgraded to dragon from turtle (which I assure you was significantly harder to get) and I loved dragon. The defense was only about 5 points lower than turtle in total, but the buffs more than made up for it. It increased many stats by a surprising amount. The melee speed, though I can’t recall the number, was the biggest change. My terra blade could swing about as fast as shroomite digging claws and shoot out projectiles nearly twice as fast. It was a substantial upgrade. Although I do miss my dragon armor, that’s not really even the reason I don’t like the update. As I said, making it too much like the pc made everything smaller, laggier, and harder to navigate. Is there a way to downgrade back to the older terraria on PS4?
     
  6. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    Okay, so they had insanely overpowered junk in the console. I can see why it was removed TBH. I've heard people saying the console stuff was overpowered, but yeesh. That's a bit much to be honest.

    And if Dragon Armor wasn't the reason for the post, you seemed to have spent a lot of time talking about it and how much you don't like how it was changed.

    As far as the rest of the stuff, well.... that's kinda the consequences of playing on console -- you have less resources to work with, therefore you get less game. There's not really much the Terraria team can do about that. They wanted to standardize the game across all platforms so that everybody could get updates faster and easier, but the sad fact of it is, current-gen consoles just can't handle the game as well as most PCs can.

    I mean sure, you CAN plan it on a console, but it was never recommended in the first place. It's a primarily mouse-driven game, and you're trying to kludge controller controls into it, and you're just not going to get a good experience.

    As for why they changed the menus... again, standardization makes the game easier to develop and is a lot less work for the developers. Both Console and PC platforms have the same UI, anytime the UI needs updated, they only have to do it once instead of having to do it twice. Now, if the PC's UI sucks with a controller.... well... I don't know what to tell you other than look into PS4 compatible mice and keyboards (if there are any). If PS4 can't do KB/Mouse, then I suppose Sony (and Microsoft) need to understand that this is 2017 and keyboards and mice tend to be the de facto control method for quite a few games (such as FPS) and should start supporting them.

    "BUT!", you might say... "If I'm using Mouse+KB, I might as well do it on PC!" ..... absolutely.

    This is why I do not understand console fanbois (not accusing you of being one, btw). PS and Xbox are using PC-compatible hardware, which means they ARE PCs with a proprietary OS and a proprietary mainboard. If, for example, Dell decided to ship its own Operating System along with their PCs, they would basically be what a console is. That's really the only difference between XB/PS and something like Dell; Dell actually uses Windows as an OS unlike the XB/PS does.

    EDIT: Fun little fact... you can jailbreak a PS or an XB and get it to run Windows, in which case it looks and acts just like a PC, albeit a severely underpowered one.

    So.... if you're basically using PC hardware, you might as well just go whole hog and just use the PC TBH. Consoles are becoming more like PCs, and Terraria is yet one more example. I imagine developers are tired of Sony and MS and their little special clubhouses that force developers to have to port games across platforms just to reach their entire audience because two companies think that they need to have their special little clubhouse instead of simply joining the rest of us in the PC world.

    PCs can do everything a console can, and so much more. You can build decent gaming rigs for 400-500, which isn't much more than the price of a console (cheaper if you get rid of the online multiplayer subscription fees, and the fact you need to buy a new system every other year, while PCs tend to last 4-5 years).

    So ya, sorry about the tangent, but the sooner gamers wake up and see the writing on the wall, the happier they will be when they make the switch. Nothing stopping you from hooking that PC up to the very same TV your consoles are currently hooked up. PC realizes that to win, they need to make themselves compatible with the consoles. Consoles are dead-set in their hubris that they should be segregated. They give you all the cons but few of the pros.

    Just stay PC. You'll be happier.
     
  7. Hallowzone

    Hallowzone Terrarian

    Haha, great argument. Mostly wasted though since I agreed with you from the start. I do enjoy PC gaming much more but when it comes to me being 15 and having no money I can’t really do much about it. As I said my PC is being repaired currently due to a an error while booting. I let my friend use it and he managed to destroy the thing. Console is all I have for now and I understand why they did what they did to Terraria for console. I was only letting people know the aspects I didn’t like about it. And the lack of compensation for my dragon armor :mad: All in good fun though lmao. Also I never knew you could jailbreak a playstation. That sounds like a pretty fun thing to do. Although you mentioned it is underpowered. Could you give me a little more info on that? Just some basic information and how it affects the playstation?
     
  8. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    I said it was underpowered, because... well, lemme pull up some specs for you:

    PS4:

    CPU: 8-Core AMD 64bit 1.6Ghz Jaguar
    RAM: 8GB GDDR5
    GPU: Integrated into the CPU (which means it draws from the 8GB of System RAM)
    HDD: 500GB, can be upgraded to 1TB and has SSD slot

    I couldn't find the PS4 Pro specs, but those are a slice higher.

    My PC, that I built 6 years ago:

    CPU: 6-Core AMD 64bit 3.5Ghz
    RAM: 16GB DDR3
    GPU: GeForce 660 GTX 2GB
    HDD: 1TB

    So, a few notes here, since I'm using a dedicated GPU card in my PC, my CPU does not have to draw from system RAM to process graphics which is always the superior option. The PS4 has GDDR5 RAM which is faster than DDR3, but yet I have twice as much capacity (and more so, because my GPU isn't drawing from it unlike the PS4).

    Now, I built a Ryzen3 system just a few months ago for $490 (which isn't that much higher!) and it has...

    CPU: AMD Ryzen3 4-Core 3.5Ghz
    RAM: 8GB DDR4
    GPU: GeForce GTX 1050 2GB

    And I stuck an old HDD in it that I already had laying around. Now, it's 2 cores less, but the processor is much faster than my 6-core one, and the graphics card is miles better. Half as much RAM, but faster.

    I don't know about the PS4 pro, but comparing to the regular PS4 but my 6 year old computer could beat it, and my newer computer blows it out of the water.

    We can put it like this. There's a a game for PS4 I'm well-familiar with, Final Fantasy XIV.

    Here's a video showing framerate and quality:

    As you can see, the guy is in a rather low populated area and is doing about 25-28 frames per second. My 6 year old PC gets about 40-50FPS in similar areas (it will dip down to 30 when I go to an area that has flight and I take to the air), and the computer I made 3 months ago does 60+ fulltime, even in dungeon combat with more effects going off around me.
     
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  9. Hallowzone

    Hallowzone Terrarian

    Wow! Although it’s underpowered it is pretty cool to see. I only just heard from you that PS4s can be jailbroken so this is all new to me. I’ve also been wanting go build my own PC for a while. I have a couple old PCs laying around but I just don’t have the time to open them up and get the parts all together. Not to mention I’m positive some of the parts would have to be ordered online since my brother has gone through them for some parts in the past. He built his own computer and the thing’s a beast. I appreciate all you’ve told me and I’ll definitely look into it more.
     
  10. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    Sure thing, np! I've been building my own computers for... what, like 15 years now almost? Something like that? So yeah if you have questions, you can always ask.
     
  11. blkhwksoldier

    blkhwksoldier Terrarian

    I believe if the developers chose to released the game on console the developers owe the console players, who have purchased the game, a good playable product. The UI on console is darn near impossible to read now. As far as a console not being able to handle the 1.3 equivalent version, thats just trash. Any console form PS3/PS4/Xbox/Xbox1 shouldn't even have a hiccup running Terraria.
     
  12. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    My 6 year old computer is stronger than a PS4/XB1. It will sometimes get framerate drops in 1.3+. No joke.

    As for the PS3/Original XB, just no. You don't seem to understand just how underpowered consoles are compared to PCs. The PS4 Non-Pro and the XB1 non-Scorpio versions are weaker than my 6 year old budget PC, and my 6 year old budget PC gets framerate drops in 1.3, so yes, you're going to have problems running it on that wimpy console.

    That's part of what it means to be on console in the first place. Why do you think most games released on consoles are capped at 30 FPS? They do that because they sure as heck can't handle 60 FPS in most of these games like most gamers' PCs can.

    Here's another tidbit: Final Fantasy XIV is a PC and a PS4 game. A PS4 does about 26 FPS in an open world area where you can see a decent distance but yet isn't packed with players. My 6 year old PC can do 45-50 FPS in the same kinds of areas.
     
  13. blkhwksoldier

    blkhwksoldier Terrarian

    Consoles are underpowered compared to some/most PC's (depends on the build), yes i agree... Terraria doesn't even come close to needing all the processing power of any supported console.
     
  14. Xylia

    Xylia Terrarian

    Did you somehow miss the fact where I detailed that my 6 year old PC, which is stronger than the consoles you listed, has framerate drops?

    Terraria DOES need that processing power. Just because it has faux 16-bit 2D graphics does not mean it doesn't need processing power. Most modern PCs (and consoles) are all built around the GPU and Graphics Processing.... but Terraria is at least 80% if not more solid CPU power.

    In fact, consoles have better GPUs than they do CPUs, and that's one of the reasons why Terraria is having trouble running on them, when they can run things like COD.