Toxophilite [East]
Terrarian
I know that I'm probably super late to the party but... who approved this? Why is there a Hardmode Sword in pre-Hardmode!?
It's not like I've been struggling with swords or anything [Not the Bees! Map], but there's an obvious drawback when it comes to using them. Not too long ago, I just got done crafting a Tungsten Sword and Bow and things felt better, been using that thing to mow enemies down, but strategically, spacing is everything in pre-Hardmode.I'm just a tad confused; what's the problem?
Easy, if you brought any Hardmode Sword into a pre-Hardmode Map, you'd notice the Power Boost immediatly, that's what it feels like wielding this GD Weapon!What's your criteria for "its a Hardmode Sword" here?
I don't know what to say to you then, this thing is ****ing ridiculous!It's a very slow sword to offset it's damage, I don't see how it compares to hardmode swords
The damage is just part of it, did you know this thing has multi-hits on swing? More like 62 damage (especially with Sharpening Station), I don't even have the Sharktooth Necklace yet; this is crazy!!31 damage is considered Hardmode to you...?
Wouldn't that make the Fiery Greatsword, Night's Edge, and Breaker Blade all Hardmode swords then? Especially since they all have faster speeds then the Bat^2?
Um... Breaker Blade is hardmode.Breaker Blade
You could have specify before that it could double hit, prior to this post. You only showed their stats. Implying their stats were broken.Easy, if you brought any Hardmode Sword into a pre-Hardmode Map, you'd notice the Power Boost immediatly, that's what it feels like wielding this GD Weapon!
- Excellent swing arch.
- Healing ability (special feature).
- Multi-Hit swings.
- d*mn near perfect knockback (guaranteeing a follow-up attack).
- better than Purple Clubberfish.
I don't know what to say to you then, this thing is ****ing ridiculous!
Easy, if you brought any Hardmode Sword into a pre-Hardmode Map, you'd notice the Power Boost immediatly, that's what it feels like wielding this GD Weapon!
- Excellent swing arch.
- Healing ability (special feature).
- Multi-Hit swings.
- d*mn near perfect knockback (guaranteeing a follow-up attack).
- better than Purple Clubberfish.
Ooo, fair point. Then again, it's right on the fringe coming from the boss that activates Hardmode, so that's why I got confused.Um... Breaker Blade is hardmode.
I just assumed that I came in on The Late Train, this content has been out for a decent amount of time. With all the tier lists, and number guys that typically have strong opinions on the forums, I'm honestly shocked that I'm the person to "showcase" this, I'm just as surprised as anyone here.You could have specify before that it could double hit, prior to this post. You only showed their stats. Implying their stats were broken.
I wasn't trying to be deceptive, I simply assumed that at least someone had to know about this, espcially considering the fact that @Leinfors was one of the first ppl to comment; surely he'd know about Bat Bat... right, right!? S**t, I guess not??For someone who havn't checked out the Don't Starve content, the stats alone weren't telling the full story.
I went from Tungsten, to what feels like a post-Skeletron, arguably Wall of Flesh tier'd Weapon.From the context now, yeah, the double-hit in one swing seem broken for it's damage and availability.
Do me a solid... do a Developer test where 6-7 Zombies [Expert or Higher] are charging you from one direction, then both.Is it Hardmode comparable? Not by a long shot. It has 40% of the DPS of Cobalt Sword, which is pretty much the worst of the worst when it comes to main line Hardmode Broadswords. It gains the ability to heal as much as 1 jar of Bottled Honey per minute, if you are landing hits 100% of the time for the entire duration.
Do me a solid... do a Developer test where 6-7 Zombies [Expert or Higher] are charging you from one direction, then both.
If the winner is Bat Bat, there's a balancing issue here... regardless of my HM Sword comparison being somewhat debatable.
- In scenario one, use a Melee Weapon crafted from... let's say BoC or EoW, do both tests.
- In scenario two, use Bat Bat, and see which Weapon feels superior to you.
@Leinfors I was thinking "The Breaker", but fair enough... I guess Bat Bat stays as is!?
Perhaps it's my own lack of experience with Melee Class, once I obtained Tungsten Ore, I assumed the next step was either Gold or Platinum, or some Weapon I'd find from an Enemy Underground [Jungle], not something like The Bat Bat, not only did it save me money on buying Grenades, it made my Tungsten Bow "useless". That's quite the tier jump to me, considering the Enemy that it drops from, I don't recall a jump quite like that in this game, save for Bee Armor to Obsidian Armor, or Bee Armor to Spider Armor [ease of access being considered here].I mean, I haven't seen ANY compelling evidence that there is even close to a balance issue. Only your perception that it has one. "Feels like a Skeletron/Wall of Flesh weapon" doesn't count for much when any objective analysis of it seems to the contrary.
I wasn't trying to "win" or something, this really felt out of place. Also, I use Hammers quite often due to their high knockback [Summoner Hybrids], I don't typically rely solely on the highest DPS Weapon I can obtain, I like synergy more than I like BIG numbers; The Breaker was a pretty good weapon IMHO, well... when Bat Bat wasn't a thing.Why are you trying to balance test a sword versus a tool? That doesn't seem to be stacking the deck in your favor a bit?
This thing is ****ing nutz [The Bat Bat]; I'm not even optimized for Melee Class either... I have no idea what they're talking about.They are actually usually considered quite "underpowered" by a lot of balancers in my experience, but I feel they have a role and are suited for it.
Um, okay then, but the test isn’t going to mean very much if you don’t record the killtime and compare it to other weapons (with wall of flesh it’s actually quite trivial to do as he is kind enough to mark where he died so you can just put a signpost on each box stating which weapon did what). You could theoretically defeat wall of flesh with literally anything that has enough dps to kill it before it squishes you on the opposite end of the world, so you have to compare it here. Also if you want to help your case further it may be advantageous for you to use Snapthorn to increase its swing speed.@Omega Derpling , actually, once I get a full set of Molten Armor, I'm gonna attempt WoF [Expert] with Bat Bat, it feels powerful enough to pull off. If I can do that, I'm gonna still be convinced that this Sword is bonkers...
Side Note: I'm probably gonna also use Vampire Frogs x3 as a Hybrid [B.Table and S.Potion].