I never noticed the armor name was changed, how pointless.I don’t think it should get changed, as I’d imagine most Romani people don’t play the game. And what’s offensive in one language and not in another is not uncommon. Saying “sp*stic” (but with an a) is offensive in the U.K. but is completely normal in the U.S. Should the U.S. stop using the word to fit the U.K.’s needs? I’d argue no.
Being normalised doesn't make it acceptable. Homophobic language was normal for the longest time, but thankfully is now unacceptable.I don’t think it should get changed, as I’d imagine most Romani people don’t play the game. And what’s offensive in one language and not in another is not uncommon. Saying “sp*stic” (but with an a) is offensive in the U.K. but is completely normal in the U.S. Should the U.S. stop using the word to fit the U.K.’s needs? I’d argue no.
Yeah I get the reasoning why its offensive but the game isnt directly using the racial side of the wordYou have my support. I don't think it would be a bad thing at all if the name of this item were changed. I can myself testify, based on my readings from around the web, that many Romani people do indeed find this term offensive, and most of those who self-identify as such still don't appreciate its wanton use by non-Romani. And I doubt that many Romani at all find much to appreciate in the stereotypes of fortune tellers and curses that abound in North American pop culture, which this item conjures up (so to speak) with its magic stats boosts. It shouldn't be too much trouble to change the item's title to something like "Mystic Robe" or "Arcane Robe", both of which still communicate the item's purpose perfectly well without relying on the language of hackneyed stereotypes.
An item with this sort of title, I think, would be less acceptable were it referring to a different race – for example, a martial arts themed-item with an Asian racial slur in its title. But that sort of thing has become considerably less acceptable over time, and most people today would widely denounce it. Awareness of racism towards Romani is much less developed in the West; a lot of the fortune teller stereotypes, or even the stereotype of Romani being thieves, are still widely acceptable or go unquestioned. In North America the stereotypes tend to be more fanciful, compounded by a lack of awareness of the actual oppressed ethnic group behind the stereotypes. But in many parts of Europe the Romani are overwhelmingly despised and discriminated against by the majority of the non-Romani population, an animosity founded on centuries-old stereotypes of Romani as baby-kidnappers and thieves.
I'll get off my soapbox now. I don't expect that many will appreciate this message, but I said what I came here to say.
Not my point. Sp*stic (I will continue to censor it for anyone in the U.K.) is normal in the U.S. because it’s not offensive. It’s meaning in American - English is different from U.K. - English. For us Americans, it simply means someone who has excessive energy and not even in a bad way. You brought up homophobic language being normal for the longest time is obviously not incorrect; the difference being homophobic language is (almost) universally accepted as offensive and sp*stic being offensive in only some areas.Being normalised doesn't make it acceptable. Homophobic language was normal for the longest time, but thankfully is now unacceptable.
By saying offensive language is "normal" one implies that the sentiment behind the language is normal, and that should not be the case.
I don't know. It seems fairly connected to the Romani people to me. The term "gay" wasn't associated with homosexuality in the past. The tern "g*psy" has always been associated with the Romani throughout history; it was created by outsiders because of the misconception that the Romani were from Egypt. And today it brings up a lot of painful history for them, particularly when used by non-Romani.Yeah I get the reasoning why its offensive but the game isnt directly using the racial side of the word
Like how gay use to mean happy. Re-Logic isnt racist, and they item in general isnt suppose to be used for that kinda message, the gypsy robe is using a name that isnt connected with the offensive version.
That may well have been the intent, but know that this "traditional style" is in most cases a romanticized fabrication with little basis in history. The Hollywood version whitewashes out a lot of the persecution and the reasons they had to live the way they did, instead depicting them as "carefree spirits". The truth is far less romantic.It’s just called Gypsy robe because it’s in the style of the traditional Gypsy.
I agree that the term, in this case, is certainly being used without any animus or ill will. However, the word is also tied to a long history of oppression in Europe. For the Romani, it has existing baggage that transcends intent.The way I see it "Gypsy" doesn't have to mean anything racist; I double-checked this by googling the exact meaning of the word.
It's very important to see in what context a word is used, and in Terraria "Gypsy" has nothing to do with a racist slur. If there was an NPC called "Gypsy" and if it was clear that this NPC is basically a thief, sure, there would be a problem there. But we're talking about a set of clothes here.
What I find much more troublesome is some people trying to find racism where there's no racism. This behaviour does more damage than good and people should stop this.
I hear what you’re saying, but I’d just like to point out the common misconception that Romani = Romanian, at least outside of the Romanian language. The word “g*psy” doesn’t refer specifically to Romanians, but instead to an ethnic group with a similar-sounding name. In fact, the plural names are identical in the Romanian language: “Romani” is the plural for Romanian people. However, the Romani ethnic group is also distinct from that. In some places a double-r spelling, “Rromani”, is used to reduce confusion.I don't get why this is such a big deal.
I am Romanian, and I can assure you that the armor "Gypsy Robe" Isn't offensive. Sure, the term "gypsy" has a lot of history behind it as @JohannSimm said, but Re-Logic surely didn't had any racial motives when adding the item.
I don't see why it should be changed, because it isn't offensive in the game, and I'm pretty sure no Romanian that played the game had an episode when they saw the armor. But Re-Logic could change the name, if enough people ask for it, which I doubt they will.
It’s not a saying, it’s used more as an insult. Either way before someone gets too heated, just remember the “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” quote.I'm not familiar with this saying