leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
actually, it's from the boss fight that leads UP to the moon lord, and therefore is the highest tier bow
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medagross999
Skeletron Prime
Pillar tier and Moon Lord tier are two different things. Things from the Moon Lord/Lumanite are noticeably better than Pillar weapons.
Soulstiger
Skeletron
"Highest Tier Bow" isn't a title that matters. And given the strength of Frost/Fishron items it could be possible they are in a similiar range as Pillars in tiering.
Lonely Golem
Terrarian
Don't know why everyone hates Nebula Arcanum so much. For me it was a great help against the other towers (better than Razorblade Typhoon and Nebula Blaze). My theory is that most people fail in continously launching those little galaxy like things, because if you have a (something) Cuffs and Spectre Heal they can do at least 2k of DPS(No magic damage bonus from accessories).
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
not in my opinion, same series of boss fights
frost moon items are OP in general, admit that, razorblade typhon is also amazing for consistant DPS, the nebula blaze for the moon lord boss fight also outclasses the razorblade when attacking the core, by alot, sure, maybe they did nerf the phantasm too much, but i will say that i never used it for the moon lord as i was going full out mage in melee armor before i got the nebula set
Soulstiger
Skeletron
I never used it for Moon Lord either. I've only fought him as Summoner in Tiki, then Stardust. And as a Mage in Nebula.
But, Pillar and Moon Lord are most definitely separate tiers. The weapons are on entirely different levels.
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
only some of the items, i know plenty that can outclass in melee the terrarian, but it IS the highest tier yo-yo
medagross999
Skeletron Prime
The thing is, their velocity is painfully slow.
No offence, but your opinion is much less important that fact. The fact is they are different tiers and, like I said, their DPS differences are VERY noticable, and you can't use Moon Lord items against Moon Lord the first (and most important) time.
It is true that the Phantasm is lower tier than S.D.M.G. and hence should be weaker, but a high tier ammo like Lumanite Arrows should bring it up to an equivalent level. That is the beauty of the Ranged class. Both weapn AND ammo influence damage. However, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE WEAKER THAN TSUNAMI.
Lonely Golem
Terrarian
That's why you have to CONTINOUSLY shoot it
EDIT: I mean if you fill the screen with projectiles it's' logilcaly impossible to miss even if the projectile move slow or don't even move at all!
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
the phantasm also is better if you're not testing it on dummies, as they don't let the extra arrow go, infact, they do the SAME dps someone tested earlier in the thread, so idk why you are saying it's weaker, infact it does MORE as the tsunami was tested on dummies and the phantasm on the twins
You failed to test the Razorblade Typhoon in an environment with multiple targets hit by a single projectile. Pretty much any time the RT can hit multiple things, it clobbers the Nebula Blaze in the DPS race.
The Nebula Arcanum is definitely too slow, yes. I like hitting things with my attacks.
It's a real shame that the Nebula weapons are generally outdone by the Razorblade (which is also vastly more mana efficient). They look much cooler (both the items and the projectiles).
medagross999
Skeletron Prime
That wasn't the point of this test. The point was testing Single target DPS.
This wasn't tested on dummies, it was tested on the twins. I don't know why my test yielded different results. There were no differences in the 2 scenarios.
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
this is the test that terrasyn did, most accurate to a real battle set you can get in battle, ergo the DPS was the closest possible between the two with the phantasm in this case doing slightly more, but with the ranges doing similar damageI'm actually rather excited - The Moon Lord is slowly becoming an actual lord as the patches come through.
Did a quick DPS test to see if the claims were true about the Tsunami being stronger than the Phantasm.
Keep in mind this was against a dummy for the Tsunami with Luminite Arrows, while the Phantasm with Luminite Arrows was used against the Twins for a constant stream of DPS (and only to focus on one eye at a time). I used every buff potion available, with a full lucky set, a Vortex set, and the following accessories on an expert world:
-Solar Wings
-Ankh Shield
-Celestial Stone
-Destroyer Emblem
-Sniper Scope
-Worm Scarf
My grand total critical hit chance was 90% for both weapons, so results may vary. This was tested over a 10 second period.
Tsunami:
Phantasm:
Notes: Although the numbers are neither stable nor concrete, damage for the Tsunami ranged from 7,000-8,000 DPS, while damage for the Phantasm also ranged from 7,000-8,000 DPS. Tsunami shoots 5 arrows, while Phantasm shoots 4, with "phantom" arrows if you land your hits.
I personally don't mind the Phantasm nerf at all, I didn't use it much. Although, I will say it doesn't make sense to hit it *too* hard with the nerf bat. Just a thought.
Lonely Golem
Terrarian
ok i'm going to say 2 completly off topic things(the 2nd is just to see what will poeple say):
1) can someone tell me why EVERY time i defeat the Lunatic Cultist the Nebula Pillar spawn in the extreme opposite side of the Dungeon. Is it a bug? Something supposed? Or just a coincidence?
2) Star Wrath is way better than the Terrarian! (in wide open areas of course)
1) can someone tell me why EVERY time i defeat the Lunatic Cultist the Nebula Pillar spawn in the extreme opposite side of the Dungeon. Is it a bug? Something supposed? Or just a coincidence?
2) Star Wrath is way better than the Terrarian! (in wide open areas of course)
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
it's luck, i've had the pillars be in spots 50 tiles off from normal! and be in random orders!
medagross999
Skeletron Prime
OH I SEE WHY OUR TESTS ARE DIFFERENT NOW! He used Lumanite arrows, which pierce. When an enemy is hit with a piercing weapon they have a small period if invincibility. This makes the Tsunami hit only 4 arrows instead of 5. For some reason the Phantasm isn't affected by this, making the Phantasm more efficient with Lumanite arrows. The Tsunami should have 25% more DPS than what is stated by his test.
Soulstiger
Skeletron
Testing the Razorblade Typhoon for single target damage and then saying it's overhyped doesn't really make sense. Reminds me of "If you test a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life thinking it's dumb." Or however that goes.
medagross999
Skeletron Prime
I was mostly testing for effectiveness against something like the Moon Lord, as you will be attacking one thing at a time. The Razorblades tend to stay one one target until it's dead anyway.
leroy_jenkins
Terrarian
actually it will attack the leech things, so it's multitarget with that
Soulstiger
Skeletron
That makes more sense then.
Yeah, but in multitarget situations it causes a lot of collateral damage to mobs.
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